Wasnt comparing the 2 was stating with the ferrules coming off like that sombody would have scene this befor.poolplayer2093 said:
Why I never bought one....
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What ??? Was " stand up guy" not clear enough for you. Also I said he fixed the thing for free. Know where does it say anything about me having a problem with the shaft as a product.softshot said:
As far as stroke if guys like Dan Louie like my stroke its good enough for me. I think one time he said hes never scene somebody break as good as me, so Im guessing when I miscue on the break it can do some damage, good thing it dont happen to often..... Thanks for the reply though.
PistolPat said:
Sorry folks, I was away on vacay since last week :thumbup:
That pic looks like it could be a very, very early Tiger shaft. Since we have been making them for 6-7 years, our techniques and standards have improved many times over from the early days.
The original "X" shaft underwent at least 4-5 stages of improved development since its inception. That was one of the reasons we now have the Tiger "X" Ultra Shaft - to differentiate what we do today from our earlier work.
Funny thing about that pic, our wood quality standard alone would not allow us to have a finished product that looks like that. LOL!
I wish I could comment about the Predator, other than just knowing how the development of things go.
Thanks for the history lesson
BENFICA said:
U make a very good point sir.
In fact, that is likely the case.
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I changed a mcdermott ferrule several years ago and the hole was the same as the predator pic thin walled on one side thick on the other.The ferrule was put on the shaft(slipon not capped) most likely with a crooked hole and when turned down it wasn`t obvious.
If you use a boring bar to make the hole if there is any deflection it generally will deflect the bar inwards but if you use a drill bit to bore the hole it will bore crooked and out.
As an experiment I took a 6 inch piece of pvc ferrule rod and bored a hole with a drill bit and then another piece of pvc rod and used a boring bar.The piece with the drillbit was off center(the same as the predator pic ) but the piece with the boring bar was straight.This was done on a 13x40 southbend lathe.I don`t know how they bore there holes but this may be one way to explain it.
I myself have used predator shafts on my playing cues and love them.I have also used the ob-1 and loved it.I have not used a tiger so I can`t comment on them.Just my 2 cents
If you use a boring bar to make the hole if there is any deflection it generally will deflect the bar inwards but if you use a drill bit to bore the hole it will bore crooked and out.
As an experiment I took a 6 inch piece of pvc ferrule rod and bored a hole with a drill bit and then another piece of pvc rod and used a boring bar.The piece with the drillbit was off center(the same as the predator pic ) but the piece with the boring bar was straight.This was done on a 13x40 southbend lathe.I don`t know how they bore there holes but this may be one way to explain it.
I myself have used predator shafts on my playing cues and love them.I have also used the ob-1 and loved it.I have not used a tiger so I can`t comment on them.Just my 2 cents
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Rest assured to everyone.........
that these are the real deal, I included extra pics in the initial post. Again as a reminder for all of you AZers out there that this is in NO WAY a predator or Tiger product bashing but a post to make us all aware that this is very much the possibility of quality you could receive on one of these shafts and even other well known laminated shaft manufacturers. Now I know none of you out there are going to cut your shaft in half to check for quality build but just keep in mind that no company despite reputation is always going to be perfect.
that these are the real deal, I included extra pics in the initial post. Again as a reminder for all of you AZers out there that this is in NO WAY a predator or Tiger product bashing but a post to make us all aware that this is very much the possibility of quality you could receive on one of these shafts and even other well known laminated shaft manufacturers. Now I know none of you out there are going to cut your shaft in half to check for quality build but just keep in mind that no company despite reputation is always going to be perfect.
That's why I asked for a picture be taken with a logo in place, that way we can be sure that what you say is real and not just take your word for it. Please provide such picture and you will resolve many "doubtings" there and then.
The additional picture showed the ferrule of a 1st generation shaft, the original picture showed the joint end of the shaft which could have easily been a partial shaft doctored to look however you wanted it to. So please show us a picture of the shaft, with logo in sight, that has the misaligned hole in it so that we can be sure what you are accusing them of.
Thank you.
The additional picture showed the ferrule of a 1st generation shaft, the original picture showed the joint end of the shaft which could have easily been a partial shaft doctored to look however you wanted it to. So please show us a picture of the shaft, with logo in sight, that has the misaligned hole in it so that we can be sure what you are accusing them of.
Thank you.
Actually the simplest answer would be to find someone on AZB with access to an x-ray machine and just put a few representative shafts in that and post the pictures.
Failing that have sales reps from the shaft manufacturer send samples to a respected neutral third party and cut them into slices.
Failing that have sales reps from the shaft manufacturer send samples to a respected neutral third party and cut them into slices.
Yes, extra pics. No offense but you did say the Tiger shaft was cut 7"-8" from the joint collar? Your picture should then show that an not that 16" plus long piece in your additional picture.PistolPat said:
I can explain how those mistakes happen since I do make segmented shafts, ER240 and ER24. But mine are low volume custom shafts production. So guys, keep in mind that the subject pieces are high-volume production brands.
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Yes I am a high end cue buyer and these pics were taken in 07 and my estimation was premature until I found the rest of the pics I took of them. Again MANY of you are getting offended by this post. Relax, didnt I state that not all but some are like this? You guys be the judge and cut some up or x-ray and then let us all know what you find
bandido said:
Yes I am a high end cue buyer and these pics were taken in 07 and my estimation was premature until I found the rest of the pics I took of them. Again MANY of you are getting offended by this post. Relax, didnt I state that not all but some are like this? You guys be the judge and cut some up or x-ray and then let us all know what you find
If you can't see why some people are getting offended by your posts then maybe you need to buy some high-end books, just kidding.
Lot's of people have these products and now you have them wondering if their shaft is manufactured like the ones pictures, you know how mental us pool players are. You can't see how this would cause some concern? Really?
Lot's of people have these products and now you have them wondering if their shaft is manufactured like the ones pictures, you know how mental us pool players are. You can't see how this would cause some concern? Really?
PistolPat said:
That's fair enough.
Bandido spoke for you, so you're not a troll, but perhaps just another guy trying to provide information that could be valuable to the posters. While we don't know if you have an ax to grind personally, we know that you are not just a passing troll.
Maybe others will take your suggestion and start cutting up more of those shafts to see if the holes are off centered like the ones you have depicted.
Thanks for posting,
JoeyA
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Now don't get me wrong, I KNEW this thread was going to stir people up a bit ( Some obviously more than others ) but again as a consumer I would rather be informed that the possibilities of a poorly produced shaft can and DOES happen to slip by quality control especially if the only way to check for these flaws are to cut the product in half, which im pretty sure the manufacturer knows you're not gonna do. For current owners I KNOW that this thread hits hard but let's be realistic instead of ignorant to the fact that these things can and will happen in production and end up in the open market.
Fuji-whopper said:
Now don't get me wrong, I KNEW this thread was going to stir people up a bit ( Some obviously more than others ) but again as a consumer I would rather be informed that the possibilities of a poorly produced shaft can and DOES happen to slip by quality control especially if the only way to check for these flaws are to cut the product in half, which im pretty sure the manufacturer knows you're not gonna do. For current owners I KNOW that this thread hits hard but let's be realistic instead of ignorant to the fact that these things can and will happen in production and end up in the open market.
So you brought to light an issue that you know NO manufacturer is going to check for? You raise the point that a poorly made shaft does slip by quality control, but what percentage is that?
You cast doubts and dispersions on the companies in question with only two ways to check for these "defects", x-ray or chopping in half, who is going to do either?
At least do a test batch of all these and not just one that might or might not be rigged for pictures, if you're going to throw stones have them be perfectly spherical stones. My guess is that you haven't contacted either company directly to have these issues resolved, just posted picture online and are waiting for people to pat you on the back for your "find".
You cast doubts and dispersions on the companies in question with only two ways to check for these "defects", x-ray or chopping in half, who is going to do either?
At least do a test batch of all these and not just one that might or might not be rigged for pictures, if you're going to throw stones have them be perfectly spherical stones. My guess is that you haven't contacted either company directly to have these issues resolved, just posted picture online and are waiting for people to pat you on the back for your "find".