Why I never bought one....

poolplayer2093 said:
calm down. maybe john's got you hypersensitive to this made in china bs that's been floating around.

i don't ask because i don't think the guys in china can't do as good a job. i ask because i figure it takes a while to get the hand of machining things

don't try to stir the pot kid there's no need for that
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lol I'm chinese and I personally don't care about the debate about the china vs. U.S.A. crap, its all personal preference. I'll buy whatever feels good to me, not by who it is made by. I was just jerking your chain because of that huge debate you and John had over at the $100 cue thread. It's all in good fun, not trying to stir anything. Good to see you still got a sense of humor lol :thumbup:

Happy shooting! :)

Chino
 
Mowem down said:
Somthing stinks like fish here ..... How many shafts did he ruin to find somthing to bash... You cant count how many times somone has had the ferral off a preditor, if that was the norm sombody would have said somthing a long time ago....It was just last year that the ferrals were coming off because of bad clue, but knowone happened to look at the end and notice this... sure.....

As far as Tiger I dont know alot about them, but I have talked to the owner a few times in Vegas, scemes like a stand up guy that wants to put out a good product. I miscued while I was down there,(was trying to use one of their shafts on my break cue for a while) took a big chunk out of the tip and ferral, I showed it to him, he said the shaft wasnt made for breaking but took it back to Cali, fixed it and sent it to me all for free that says somthing about the guy to me....

I dont beleave in eather case he picked 2 shafts at random and thats what they looked like...And the pic. of the preditor dose look a bit strange thats one fat looking shaft. If it was cut 5 in. below the tip thats only 4 in. below the bottom of the ferral.( depending on how thick the tip was)
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Ive never seen the Tiger shaft bisected before...... but this is not THAT uncommon with the Predator, Ive seen it on more than one occasion in person.
Chuck
 
Mowem down said:
As far as Tiger I dont know alot about them, but I have talked to the owner a few times in Vegas, scemes like a stand up guy that wants to put out a good product. I miscued while I was down there,(was trying to use one of their shafts on my break cue for a while) took a big chunk out of the tip and ferral, I showed it to him, he said the shaft wasnt made for breaking but took it back to Cali, fixed it and sent it to me all for free that says somthing about the guy to me....
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the guy sold you half of a pool cue.. that was unable to withstand ... a miscue... on THE most common shot in pool..... arguably the most common miscue in pool...

and YOU feel bad about it?????

the devotion of people searching for the holy grail never ceases to amaze me...

a good stroke is worth more than any High tech cue...... and it's cheaper....

:thumbup: good luck...
 
I would be interested to know what the performance difference would be given the off-centerednessicity. I would be mildly surprised, were it perceptible.
 
Neil said:
But, how did the edge of the hole get chamferred??? It sure couldn't happen in the original drilling process. It had to be done after it was cut .
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I was wondering this exact same thing. Looks really odd to me.
 
Anybody who knows a little about a lathe and drilling a hole on a lathe would know that you couldn't be that much off center like the picture of the predator shaft. That doesn't make any sense.

I have an OB-1 shaft and a couple of Predator shafts and I rarely use the OB-1 because I like the way the Predator shafts play better.

James
 
I'm curious to know if there is a way to determine if your Predator shaft has the hole drilled off center short of destorying the shaft.

JoeyA
 
SCCues said:
Anybody who knows a little about a lathe and drilling a hole on a lathe would know that you couldn't be that much off center like the picture of the predator shaft. That doesn't make any sense.
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Maybe they use a table vise and a hand drill? :thumbup:
 
When I saw the process done they used a drill only for the pilot hole then a boring bar for the majority of the cutting process. This was done for years and I am sure they didn't change using a slide lathe whereever they are made now.
 
SCCues said:
Anybody who knows a little about a lathe and drilling a hole on a lathe would know that you couldn't be that much off center like the picture of the predator shaft. That doesn't make any sense.
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I agree.

Also I would have imagined that we would have heard about this kind of thing from cuesmiths during retips.

This ain't passing the smell test.
 
I would have to agree anyone that knows anything about building cues it would be hard to get that far out of center all of that stuff is measured and set up with machinary that gets it down the smallest spec. if this was a Mom and pop cue making shop doing this by hand then yes maybe it is possible to get that far out of center if they don't have the right type of machinary or just don't care. But we are talking about predator , Tiger and OB1 no matter where they build thier shafts at they have the money to buy top of the line equipment. And I am pretty sure they do in order to get out the most production. This would seem to me to be out of the ordinary and if done would be done by someone that set it up wrong or just did not care or did it intentionaly ... As often as shafts break and tear up and people get frustrated and break them if this happened all the time I would think it would of been brought to everyones attention long before now.

I'm not sticking up for Predator , Tiger or OB1 . I have never even used Tiger shafts .... I have used Predator and OB1 and prefer OB1 over Predator but I have only used Predators early made shafts. And in the end I got away from both of them and went back to just a maple shaft ... It seems I can control the cue ball better with just plain maple. I can sure load the cue ball up alot with english with these low deflection shafts but I don't seen to have as much control as to where the cue ball stops with a low deflection shape .. They get so much english that to me they seem almost uncontrolable. Plain maple to me just seems more predictable and consistant.

I agree with some of the posters on here I sure would love to see a study done cutting some random shafts from all three of the big low deflection shaft builders ... OB1 , Predator and Tiger ... And see them posted here for all to see and judge for themselves. But then who is going to waiste good shafts like that ??? I also agree something smells pretty fishy in here all of a sudden.
 
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the predator looks like a partial shaft with a bad turning job, hence the chamfer meaning its where the joint is going, when i did work like that we would cut cams and eccentric bushings like that all the time. Who ever probably had the joint end in a four jaw chuck and didn't find the center which is a bone head move.
 
softshot said:
a good stroke is worth more than any High tech cue...... and it's cheaper....
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not if you factor in the table time. badum chhhh. On a serious note, I agree wit you 100%, my cue shoots in HD and I like it.
 
I have been thinking about this more and more, the boring for the "technology" is at the END of the shaft making process, just before it gets a ferrule and tip so how can this hole be so far off?

The hole isn't drilled first then the shaft is turned which is how the hole might be turned off center, if you made the hole first then turned the shaft it might not survive the turning down process. Anyone who has done a Predator ferrule knows how thin the wall is at the ferrule, how could they cut THAT hole before turning the shaft and have it be accurate? They couldn't, which is why you know they did it at the END of the process to avoid exactly what is pictured in the first post.
 
Fuji-whopper said:
I have been thinking about this more and more, the boring for the "technology" is at the END of the shaft making process, just before it gets a ferrule and tip so how can this hole be so far off?

The hole isn't drilled first then the shaft is turned which is how the hole might be turned off center, if you made the hole first then turned the shaft it might not survive the turning down process. Anyone who has done a Predator ferrule knows how thin the wall is at the ferrule, how could they cut THAT hole before turning the shaft and have it be accurate? They couldn't, which is why you know they did it at the END of the process to avoid exactly what is pictured in the first post.
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We may need a forensic team to identify the originator of this thread.:wink:

JoeyA
 
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