Why is Santos playing in the qualifier?

Yeah, he has no chance of not getting his tour card. He must want some practice or he doesn't understand that he is already gauranteed a card. What happens if he wins and gets an entry but then gets his tour card? Does the third place person get an entry?
 
LOL...if I was Santos, I'd probably be playing in the qualifier as well, considering he was selected as one of the original 150 members but lost his tour card for not filling out his contract in time.

I'm guessing he just wants to be 1000% sure he secures next year's tour card, that he has built redundancy in his plan. ;)
 
I would think that if he didn't get the contract back in time, and therefore didn't get his tour card, if he doesn't have a current tour card, regardless of if he gets one next year, that maybe the only way to keep his rankings up is to play in all the tournaments THIS year, but the only way he can play THIS year without a tour card, is to qualify for each tournament.

Does that make sense?

Please forgive me if he already has a tour card and i don't know it.
I just remember him not getting it, and don't know if that status has changed or not.

If he does have a CURRENT tour card, and he is playing in the qualifiers, then maybe he just lost his mind.
 
Mike and I were wondering the same thing. He already is a lock to get in. How sad are his opponents he beats? Does he even know this qualifier is for a tour card? He may think it is a Q for Chicago! :eek:
 
It could well be that he *thinks* he could drop out of the top 100, or someone he trusts told him just that.

Looking at the rankings, at the folks 47th-100th, it would appear that he's pretty much set to stay in the top 100 even if he doesn't win another dime before the top 100 rankings are finalized. It's doubtful that those 54 people could all pull upwards of $15k down to knock him out. Most of those folks seem to have brought in the minimum for the events they've participated in.
 
hurricane1972 said:
the obvious answer is that he isn't the sharpest tool in the box. imagine how much mark trainer could make from him
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Okay...let's stop short of insulting the man.

No, the obvious answer is that he thinks only the top 100 IPT tour members will secure their tour card. Since he's not a current tour member, he probably thinks he still has to qualify.

Of course, the real answer is the top 100 money earners, tour member or non-tour member, will win their 2007 tour card.
 
The immediate thought I had was that he didn't pay the full entry fee into the qualifiers, so maybe his tour money/points don't count toward the end of year points list. Remember that the $1000.00 qualifiers could be entered into for only $500.00 and the $1500.00 qualifiers could be entered for $750.00?

Other than that, I dunno. I wonder if any of the qualifiers are kicking themselves for only going halfway like that?
 
TX Poolnut said:
The immediate thought I had was that he didn't pay the full entry fee into the qualifiers, so maybe his tour money/points don't count toward the end of year points list. Remember that the $1000.00 qualifiers could be entered into for only $500.00 and the $1500.00 qualifiers could be entered for $750.00?

Other than that, I dunno. I wonder if any of the qualifiers are kicking themselves for only going halfway like that?
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I think we may have the answer, it does make you wonder why he wouldn't pay the full amount, but that certainly is the best answer so far.
 
So wait a minute?

He doesn't have his tour card for this year.

So does that mean he can play in whatever is left of this years tournaments based on his ranking, or does he still have to qualify for them to play in them?
 
The last remaining event for the year is a non-open event - open only to tour card holders. So no, he can't participate.

And the half-fee, half-winnings thing makes some sense - but wasn't the deal that you only WON half the amount? not that only half the amount counted to the yearly total? If that's the case, one would think his winnings total listed on the IPT site would reflect that.
 
ScottW said:
The last remaining event for the year is a non-open event - open only to tour card holders. So no, he can't participate.

And the half-fee, half-winnings thing makes some sense - but wasn't the deal that you only WON half the amount? not that only half the amount counted to the yearly total? If that's the case, one would think his winnings total listed on the IPT site would reflect that.
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Correct Scott.Had there been any prize money deductions necessary for half price entries by anyone on the money list thay would surely have been already reflected in the current list otherwise it's meaningless from a rankings point of view.

IMHO a much more likely explanation for his entry is that IPT have already shown a propensity for randomly changing their mind on umpteen different issues and policies with scant regard for what they have previously said or published and perhaps he feels that they might also do so over the tour card policy.

Furthermore,if there is any truth in 'acquisition' rumours players should remember that there is absolutely no guarantee that any new controlling interest/owner of IPT would honour any published tour card qualification arrangements of the previous owner or any undertakings previously given to existing card holders about how they will keep a card for 2007.A new owner could even conceivably turn round next week and say those arrangements are all cancelled and that he'll be issuing 2007 cards to players of his choice.I have put forward the opinion,for what its worth, in previous posts as regards how issues like this should undoubtedly be vastly more important to players in the context of possible sale of IPT than how much "insiders think the deal is worth",which boils down to being nothing more than an irrelevant smokescreen.

Santos may just be covering all the bases he can think of and good luck to him
 
[B]he's trying to qualify for chicago,,he's not guaranteed entry in chicago and he wants to play there.

he's almost guaranteed 2007 tour card....but that's not his point,,he wants to play in chicago--he could possibly win a lot of money in the next ipt,,-i think he outsmarted all of you bashers.[/B]
 
memikey said:
Furthermore,if there is any truth in 'acquisition' rumours players should remember that there is absolutely no guarantee that any new controlling interest/owner of IPT would honour any published tour card qualification arrangements of the previous owner or any undertakings previously given to existing card holders about how they will keep a card for 2007.
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That said, a new owner could also throw out the whole tour-card-qualifier qualifiers, thus making Santos' entry into that (regardless of his results) a moot point as well!

Hooray for speculation! :D
 
arian dacongan said:
[B]he's trying to qualify for chicago,,he's not guaranteed entry in chicago and he wants to play there.

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He can not play there. It is ONLY for CURRENT tour card members. The current qualifiers are for the "TOUR CARD" event that happens at the same time as the KOH.
 
Santos wins

Santos wins and Oscar comes in third but gets free entries to try again. Good luck Oscar - it hasn't been easy. The good news is that you don't have to play Morrow or Santos again.
 
Arian, your pomposity is striking. In your need to be so right, you miss the fact that there is no possibility for santos or any other non tour card holder to participate in the chaicago event, as it is a "closed" event.

You must be one of those people who read a sentence, and comprehend what they want it to say, regardless of the content.

Perhaps you should climb down off your lofty pedestall and go and get hooked on phonics.
 
TX Poolnut said:
The immediate thought I had was that he didn't pay the full entry fee into the qualifiers, so maybe his tour money/points don't count toward the end of year points list. Remember that the $1000.00 qualifiers could be entered into for only $500.00 and the $1500.00 qualifiers could be entered for $750.00?

Other than that, I dunno. I wonder if any of the qualifiers are kicking themselves for only going halfway like that?
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You may be onto something here TXP,
As I recall (I could be wrong), but I think players who paid half entries would not receive any credit towards the 2007 tour card.

It is interesting that none of the players are listed as having received half their winnings, yet I know there were players in qualifiers that only entered at the half rate. I would be surprised if none of the qualifiers came in having paid half the entry amount.

Colin
 
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