Well I spent about 30 min teaching him what I know. He does use a systematic way to aim just not formally named one.
Why no "Aiming Systems" at the SBE?
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Well I spent about 30 min teaching him what I know. He does use a systematic way to aim just not formally named one.
A person doesn't have to pivot to use an aiming system. Your a little behind the times.
I started using Pro One in November. Now when I play, I just get down and shoot, letting my sub conscious do the work. I'm pretty sure Pro One has improved my sub conscious aiming, because now when I'm down on the shot I have a really good idea of whether it will go or not provided my stroke is true.
That's the only way I can see any system working for a long period of time. Your mind simply could not hold up over a long period of turny play if you had to think about all that goes into a system it would have to be so well practiced it has become second nature this would take hundreds of hours to achieve.
And that in its self may only make you marginally better as there is more more to pool than just pocketing balls
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Perhaps. The only thing I really know about aiming systems is I don't need one.
I remember reading the war threads from back a while and people referring to a pivot of some sort for the system JB uses. It may have evolved since then and is no longer needed?
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I like the term "aiming method" better than "aiming system." Everyone has to have some method of determining an alignment for the cue stick.
The method to which you refer is Stan Shuffett's CTE/Pro One. It has a manual CTE version, which involves a pivot after the bridge hand is placed on the table, and a Pro One version, which substitutes an eye/body movement for the manual pivot. JB used to use a version of manual CTE, but is now using Pro One.
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a wonderful state of bliss....or a blissful state of wonder
Everyone uses an "aiming system" of some kind to create the necessary angles. It's just a matter of awareness, we all process awareness differently.
If we think about it {in terms of technique} walking down a flight of stairs requires a system. When analyzed we may find that skipping a step speeds up our decent and even saves energy, and how would we find this out if we refuse to believe there's a system in place to begin with?
The funny thing is many people go through life on "automatic pilot" and don't "real eyes" how unconscious programming reveals it's self (even in the simplest behaviors). I believe this style of life must be a wonderful state of bliss....or a blissful state of wonder.
The Game could be their Teacher
Everyone uses an "aiming system" of some kind to create the necessary angles. It's just a matter of awareness, we all process awareness differently.
If we think about it {in terms of technique} walking down a flight of stairs requires a system. When analyzed we may find that skipping a step speeds up our decent and even saves energy, and how would we find this out if we refuse to believe there's a system in place to begin with?
The funny thing is many people go through life on "automatic pilot" and don't "real eyes" how unconscious programming reveals it's self (even in the simplest behaviors). I believe this style of life must be a wonderful state of bliss....or a blissful state of wonder.
The Game could be their Teacher
I would have liked to go there but............
I'm too busy right where I'm at in Indianapolis,Indiana at the Brickyard Billiards.
Great poolhall with allot going on each and everyday.
This is my second trip back here in about 2 months and right now they have their VNEA state tournament going on so I will be here a little bit longer.
It would have been nice to go there but i can only teach one player at a time.
Next Year maybe I hope and I will play in it also.........
I'm too busy right where I'm at in Indianapolis,Indiana at the Brickyard Billiards.
Great poolhall with allot going on each and everyday.
This is my second trip back here in about 2 months and right now they have their VNEA state tournament going on so I will be here a little bit longer.
It would have been nice to go there but i can only teach one player at a time.
Next Year maybe I hope and I will play in it also.........
Also I think that IF Stan, Stevie and Landon were to have a booth and do demos/clinics they would sell a thousand DVDs.
Same for CJ Wiley, same for Gene. Anyone who can back up their words with on the table proof will sell their materials.
They aren't selling an aiming system, they are teaching a rock solid foundation on how to play the game.
Same for CJ Wiley, same for Gene. Anyone who can back up their words with on the table proof will sell their materials.
They aren't selling an aiming system, they are teaching a rock solid foundation on how to play the game.
About the only way you could make any money selling instructional materials at a major event would be to have another, bigger vendor carry your line for you for a share of the fees. Setting up your own booth just for lessons and DVDs would be a pretty big gamble just to break even.
Everyone uses a system. Everyone. It may not be something you can't accurately describe, or it could be a system recognized by all. There aren't gunsights on the balls to aim with, nor are there gunsights on a car...yet you can "aim" both to go where you want them to or to miss things you want to miss. Before feel/touch comes into it, you have some way of visualizing the alingment you need and accounting for things that would make your CB not hit what you want. You can sometimes see it in a player's PSR, often times not. Players often "discover" or are shown a new way to perceive the shot and a method/technique for percieiving, aligning and executing the shot, taking new variables into account that they didn't before and taking care of the other variables...and often that makes them more consistent. What many on here would call a "system" is just a simplified, consistent approach to the shot, taking calculation of variables out of the equation...because humans tend to over-complicate things. How often have you missed a shot because you were over-thinking it? "Think long, think wrong" ring a bell? Systems help you put the small variables into your subconscious where they belong...we all have a system, some do it better than others.
Everyone uses a system. Everyone. It may not be something you can't accurately describe, or it could be a system recognized by all. There aren't gunsights on the balls to aim with, nor are there gunsights on a car...yet you can "aim" both to go where you want them to or to miss things you want to miss. Before feel/touch comes into it, you have some way of visualizing the alingment you need and accounting for things that would make your CB not hit what you want. You can sometimes see it in a player's PSR, often times not. Players often "discover" or are shown a new way to perceive the shot and a method/technique for percieiving, aligning and executing the shot, taking new variables into account that they didn't before and taking care of the other variables...and often that makes them more consistent. What many on here would call a "system" is just a simplified, consistent approach to the shot, taking calculation of variables out of the equation...because humans tend to over-complicate things. How often have you missed a shot because you were over-thinking it? "Think long, think wrong" ring a bell? Systems help you put the small variables into your subconscious where they belong...we all have a system, some do it better than others.
Pocket Billiards is an incredible experience. 'The Game is the Teacher'
You're right, humans do tend to complicate things. What I've discovered is it's vitally important to align the body the same way relative to the line of the shot. This way we always have the same relative "starting point" and is best done "center to center".
There's no stronger connection than the fullness of each ball aligned to one another. From this position 70-80% of all shots can be made from my experience. I just finished giving 12 hours of lessons in the last two days and I really got to fine tune my approach. I've been working with some advanced players recently so it's given me a chance to see how precisely they can execute the Touch of Inside, especially on the Banking System (TIPS).
The Game is really opening up because I can relate to teaching like I could playing - you must believe, as a champion player, that there is always a shot, and as a teacher "there's always a way to communicate a technique". I'm grateful I studied NLP when I was in my 20's, it's certainly become useful these days.
Everyone learns these systems in a different way, and once they "click" it's amazing how quickly the Game starts to open up the "Inside Knowledge", Pocket Billiards is an incredible experience. 'The Game is the Teacher'
You're right, humans do tend to complicate things. What I've discovered is it's vitally important to align the body the same way relative to the line of the shot. This way we always have the same relative "starting point" and is best done "center to center".
There's no stronger connection than the fullness of each ball aligned to one another. From this position 70-80% of all shots can be made from my experience. I just finished giving 12 hours of lessons in the last two days and I really got to fine tune my approach. I've been working with some advanced players recently so it's given me a chance to see how precisely they can execute the Touch of Inside, especially on the Banking System (TIPS).
The Game is really opening up because I can relate to teaching like I could playing - you must believe, as a champion player, that there is always a shot, and as a teacher "there's always a way to communicate a technique". I'm grateful I studied NLP when I was in my 20's, it's certainly become useful these days.
Everyone learns these systems in a different way, and once they "click" it's amazing how quickly the Game starts to open up the "Inside Knowledge", Pocket Billiards is an incredible experience. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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I 100% agree.. I kick so much better using a system, it's not even close.
Most player shoot with a routine ,shooting with a system would be incorporating other forms of aiming such as TOI or CTE into that routine. Then it becomes a system
For instance when I hit a gear I can walk around the table set the stick down no practice stroke and fire the ball in
Now if I walk up find the spot pivot the stick to align it then that would be a system
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You use it on every shot. Aiming becomes second nature just like anything else you do over and over. Any aiming sytem you use (be it GB, 90/90, Pro One, SEE System, fractions or the side of your stick) becomes a part of your game with enough repition. Once you have it and are comfortable with these systems they don't require the same amount of thought as when you first started with whichever system you use. You may still miss balls but I've always found the fault with myself. Hope this helps. :thumbup:
PS. they could have really used an aiming system in the Mens bathroom at the expo!
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For sure! That's why I was surprised that nobody was there with some "get better/aiming" system.
When is his available? I'd like to see this one because I just don't get the pivot....or maybe don't want to.
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