Why not keep it simple?

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Why is this not an open event? Why invitational? Why only 150 players? Why are several top players not included? Why not work with the APA, BCA, Planet Pool, Hampton Ridge, Joss Tour & etc? Is the money in escrow for the 2006 & 2007 years tournaments and with whom? With so many questions unanswered the skeptism is fair. KT has come on to answer all questions and excludes these basic questions.

I am left to believe with statements like profit sharing and such that this venture requires TV releases to air or sell the production to networks. Additionally, funds from the sales of licensing products with the IPT are to trickle down to the players some how and the players are under IPT contract and all endorsements will go through the IPT?

But, what is the goal of the IPT? It sure can not be to showcase the best players and determine a true “King of the Hill” with an invitational format it lacks credibility to call it King of the Hill. What if Alex Played? What if Cliff Joyner Played? What if a number of others where offered the same opportunity? Would the result be the same??? This is a nightmare for Pool Historians and Pool record books!!! That’s why the US Open is so prestigious because it is the closest thing to a true “CHAMPIONSHIP”.

By the IPT’s own admission the communication between players and the IPT has been poor. Pro players were not made aware of deadlines and the true cost of membership. Only a small click of players really know what is going on with the IPT and are kept informed. The Derby Qualifier was only made public a week or so before the event and “god help you” if you were away from your computer. They sure did not allow you anytime to make arrangements to attend. But, CJ Wiley and others were kindly notified. This whole IPT league certainly has Mike Sigel written all over it. It reminds me of the opportunities POOL had in the 70’s with Steve Mizerak’s powerful influence and we ended up with a bunch of “BS” Challenge matches to show for it. I just hope history does not repeat itself with this invitational format and guaranteed pay days!!!
That old saying “You never get something for nothing” holds true unless you are an IPT card holder!

To argue the logistics of an open event is crazy when Derby City can have 400 plus in 3 events and we have not mentioned Straight Pool & 3 cushion. The open gets 256 at 500 a pop. The IPT would not get over 400 at $500 or even $1000 entry fee. I just do not see the reasoning behind much of this. The allure of the ‘WORLD SERIES OF POKER” is that anyone can enter and win. Moneymaker made that televised series a hit, because he was a relative unknown player. The same could be true of the IPT! Additionally, The World Poker Tour and World Series of Poker publicize the thousands of entries. It makes the event and winner a credible “CHAMPION”.

I hate being negative and I wish the IPT the best. I have so many hopes and dreams pent up in the success of the IPT that I and others just would not feel right if we did not take an opportunity to chime in and make suggestions on improving what is a good foundation and start.

Either Way All the Best to the IPT!

Sincerely,
King Kong
 
That’s why the US Open is so prestigious because it is the closest thing to a true “CHAMPIONSHIP”.

Do you mean the US OPEN that does not allow women to play?


Mrs.G
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
...Do you mean the US OPEN that does not allow women to play?
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LOL! :D You do bring up a valid point, Mrs. G. :o

For decades in the U.S., men prohibited women from entering "their" sacred billiard parlors. I'd venture to guess that most of the billiard tournaments were produced and run by men. When women's rights came to the fore, the change was not welcomed in some men's circles. I do remember in my lifetime seeing a sign hanging in the front window of a pool room in Petersburg, Virginia, which read: "NO WOMEN ALLOWED." :(

In the words of James Brown, "This is a man's -- MAN's world, but it wouldn't mean nothing -- NOTHING without a woman or a girl." :p

JAM
 
A lot of those questions are answered at their website in the Q+A.

The IPT is far more open, accessable that the big tour events in Golf and Tennis.

Try to find a qualifying event for the US Open Golf Event, without at least having to qualify through various stages.
 
The World Championships and US Open are OPEN events. Although there is a qualifier, there should be. With 500 and 300 000 dollar pay days everyone and their dog would be trying their hand at proffessional pool. We would have to sit through round after round of white washes and embarressments before we would get to see some good pool. To qualify my point their is a group of guys in my pool hall who are planning to try and qualify for these championships. They arent any good. With the round robin format there is the same oppurtunity for an unknown player to pull off Moneymaker's achievement. I don't see anything wrong with the way things are being handled. We are much better off then the political tournaments mid 20th century, where Jersey Red was not allowed to compete at one point because he was a hustler.
 
all i know is that kevin trudeau is trying to start something that will pay pool players lots of money like in golf and other sports. no matter what pool players and fans ought to realize he starting something big and just be happy with it!
 
King Kong said:
Why is this not an open event? Why invitational? Why only 150 players? Why are several top players not included? Why not work with the APA, BCA, Planet Pool, Hampton Ridge, Joss Tour & etc? Is the money in escrow for the 2006 & 2007 years tournaments and with whom? With so many questions unanswered the skeptism is fair. KT has come on to answer all questions and excludes these basic questions.

I am left to believe with statements like profit sharing and such that this venture requires TV releases to air or sell the production to networks. Additionally, funds from the sales of licensing products with the IPT are to trickle down to the players some how and the players are under IPT contract and all endorsements will go through the IPT?

But, what is the goal of the IPT? It sure can not be to showcase the best players and determine a true “King of the Hill” with an invitational format it lacks credibility to call it King of the Hill. What if Alex Played? What if Cliff Joyner Played? What if a number of others where offered the same opportunity? Would the result be the same??? This is a nightmare for Pool Historians and Pool record books!!! That’s why the US Open is so prestigious because it is the closest thing to a true “CHAMPIONSHIP”.

By the IPT’s own admission the communication between players and the IPT has been poor. Pro players were not made aware of deadlines and the true cost of membership. Only a small click of players really know what is going on with the IPT and are kept informed. The Derby Qualifier was only made public a week or so before the event and “god help you” if you were away from your computer. They sure did not allow you anytime to make arrangements to attend. But, CJ Wiley and others were kindly notified. This whole IPT league certainly has Mike Sigel written all over it. It reminds me of the opportunities POOL had in the 70’s with Steve Mizerak’s powerful influence and we ended up with a bunch of “BS” Challenge matches to show for it. I just hope history does not repeat itself with this invitational format and guaranteed pay days!!!
That old saying “You never get something for nothing” holds true unless you are an IPT card holder!

To argue the logistics of an open event is crazy when Derby City can have 400 plus in 3 events and we have not mentioned Straight Pool & 3 cushion. The open gets 256 at 500 a pop. The IPT would not get over 400 at $500 or even $1000 entry fee. I just do not see the reasoning behind much of this. The allure of the ‘WORLD SERIES OF POKER” is that anyone can enter and win. Moneymaker made that televised series a hit, because he was a relative unknown player. The same could be true of the IPT! Additionally, The World Poker Tour and World Series of Poker publicize the thousands of entries. It makes the event and winner a credible “CHAMPION”.

I hate being negative and I wish the IPT the best. I have so many hopes and dreams pent up in the success of the IPT that I and others just would not feel right if we did not take an opportunity to chime in and make suggestions on improving what is a good foundation and start.

Either Way All the Best to the IPT!

Sincerely,
King Kong
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Some of what you ask are things I've wondered about also. However,here are some answers 1)They don't work with other orgs now a) because they are just starting out b) KT isn't going to be shaken down by other orgs that haven't shown him anything
2) It's KT's money and I guess he'll damn well do what he wants with it.
3) KT isn't in this as some charity thing, I'm sure he intends to profit in some way, unlike other orgs he has offered to "spread the wealth" (if any).
4) Anybody that wants to can sign up for information right on the IPT website, this includes news of qualifiers etc.
5) The current qualifiers have been rushed....a result of eight dropouts.There are regularly scheduled qualifiers for entry to the tour.
6) KTs approach has been to offer the opportunity for players of all calibers to join.....He isn't going out recruiting or begging for people to join.
Now that's just what I've gathered from trying to follow the IPT. I'm sure Deno Andrews can correct anything I'm wrong about and clarify any other questions.

Terry
 
then I say

Why does the womens tour not let men play? If the womens tour's ethic's are that much higher. Why don't they make the move first and prove they are truly the leaders in pool? Let the men play in your tour.

This would prove to men everywhere that you came to play. They would probably in turn let the women play. At least to prove that they are not cowards.
 
King Kong said:
Additionally, funds from the sales of licensing products with the IPT are to trickle down to the players some how and the players are under IPT contract and all endorsements will go through the IPT?
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the players are making money. you're asking to bite the hand that feeds you.

King Kong said:
But, what is the goal of the IPT?
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the goal, OSTENSIBLY, is to make pool popular.

to avoid any lengthy debate, because i'm sure it's all been rehashed over and over and over again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why promote pool in the same way it's been done before when it's quite clear that didn't work.
 
JamisonNeu said:
Why does the womens tour not let men play? If the womens tour's ethic's are that much higher. Why don't they make the move first and prove they are truly the leaders in pool? Let the men play in your tour.

This would prove to men everywhere that you came to play. They would probably in turn let the women play. At least to prove that they are not cowards.
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Ummm I think you have the cart before the horse (or something like that).
The women are the one's who have been excluded since pool first began. I believe that puts the onous(sp?) of change on the men. Also the WPBA has been successful on it's own as a womens organization. Why should they change and let the guys screw up a good thing? Personally I have no problem with womens only organizations or mens only organizations as long as there are also some mixed organizations.

Terry
 
JamisonNeu said:
Why does the womens tour not let men play? If the womens tour's ethic's are that much higher. Why don't they make the move first and prove they are truly the leaders in pool? Let the men play in your tour.

This would prove to men everywhere that you came to play. They would probably in turn let the women play. At least to prove that they are not cowards.
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This is an arguement that I have heard many many times before in regards to Pool Golf and Chess.

The reason that the mens tours are allowing women to play in their events (some of them anyways) is that the viking tour, Joss tour etc. are not gender specific, they are pool tours. The WPBA or WOMENS Pool and Billiards Association, is a gender specific tour, it is a womens pool tour, whereas the mens tour is billed as simply a pool tour. The same is true with golf, Proffessional Golf Association and the LADIES proffessional golf association.

But even if you don't agree with any of my remarks, do you think that there is any guy who would join the WPBA is they did allow men on the tour. Not to be dissrespectful to the ladies, they play great, but just the name of the organisation would keep me from joining. Maybe if they changed it to the to the PBA, I certainly dont mind hanging with the girls :D. But the bowlers would be pissed.
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
That’s why the US Open is so prestigious because it is the closest thing to a true “CHAMPIONSHIP”.

Do you mean the US OPEN that does not allow women to play?


Mrs.G
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As well as some of the women may play, I don't think you'd see much of a difference in the list of past champions had they been allowed to play. JMHO, FWIW, yada yada yada.
 
One point that I would like to make regarding the logistics...... obviously you weren't at the Orlando event.... which was AWESOME event by the way.... or you would have realized that this is not the ordinary "pool" set-up. :eek: There must be much additional space between the tables for the cameramen and he obviously raised the standards for "displaying" our sport. I'm 100% sure that the Executive Inn would not meet the high expectations that have been set. I've been around the country playing in many, many of these televised events and I really can't recall but a few that MAY satisfy the needs of this tour. I'm absolutely sure that there are many problems to be worked out and that they are doing their best to do that.

As far as the money and having to be put into escrow..... who cares? :confused: I'm on the tour and, I feel I speak for many (not all) players who are also there....we've been to events where we haven't gotten paid in the past and those were events where that money REALLY matter. We have played for peanuts for so long so when we finally had some coming - and then didn't get them - we had to eat McDonalds for a long time. I once had to split Happy Meals with my Road Partner 3 times a day for weeks because I didn't get paid and had invested all my road cash for the tournament. A lot of players (KOH) have already earned so much in the short time that Kevin has been involved that, if it fails..... they aren't out eating Happy Meals, if you know what I mean!;) I'm out on a limb of faith as are the rest of the IPT'ers...... make it or bust, men win or women win, Kevin stays long time or is out in 3 years..... any way you look at it... THIS IS good for pool and I'm excited about being a part of it. :D

If all you want to do is look at the "iffy's", then at least give it an opportunity and attend the events and see for yourself before you go public with questions about the man or tour. :mad:

I'm not in Kansas anymore and I don't see the Bad Witch anywhere around. The Yellow Brick road is a little longer than I had hoped, but I for one, am here for the long walk, along with 149 other players. We'll let you know how it comes out.:p

Tammie Wesley-Jones
 
Too Long

Why is this not an open event? Why invitational? Why only 150 players? Why are several top players not included? Why not work with the APA, BCA, Planet Pool, Hampton Ridge, Joss Tour & etc? Sincerely,
King Kong[/QUOTE]

Its simple business in its most basic form. When you have too many hands in the cookie jar, nothing will get done, look how long it takes congress to enact new laws.
 
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