Why the jump cues?

RRfireblade said:
It's just so much easier to jump with a jump cue , IMO on any shot.

Todays LDs shafts and soft layered tips make jumping with a full cue considerably harder than years ago. Before short cues, all you had to jump with was a full cue and myself , I did it pretty regularly. With a hard one piece tip and a 13mm shaft.... you know... a 58" jump cue. :) But even then, a full ball was a heck of a jump and you had to really let it fly. There's not much control there. Now if your just skipping by a partial ball , thats a whole different story. Arguably maybe not even a real 'jump'.

Being 6' 3" on a 7' foot table, your playing cue is pretty dang close to a jump cue for you anyway. :grin-square:

Like everything else, what ever works for 'you' is all the matters. I'll let others deceide what they think works best for themselves. ;)
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You're right that different things work for different players... I just assumed that I would see at least a few players who prefer to jump full cue in certain scenarios...

With my height and size, I can hop the ball cleanly with a medium stroke and good control... but that may be much more difficult or even impossible for someone of smaller stature.

I just tried to jump with another cue after reading your post, a Predator 314 with a Kamui soft... and I was really struggling to control the ball. And it took a powerful stroke to get over a ball. I definitely agree with you on that.

Though I can jump decently with a house cue...

So I guess the fact of me being large enough to comfortably stroke purely while elevated, combined with my playing cue, which has a pretty solid shaft and hard pressed elkmaster, is what is giving me an advantage over many players to jump confidently and accurately.

So if anything, jump cues help to level the playing field, which is absolutely a good thing.
 
I'd love to learn to jump with my player.
Any tips?

I do the same thing I do with my jump cue. About the only thing that happens is that I drive the cue ball into the object ball.
I don't use a hard tip, but I'm still thinking that I should be able to get a little air on the ball.

Thanks.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I'd love to learn to jump with my player.
Any tips?

I do the same thing I do with my jump cue. About the only thing that happens is that I drive the cue ball into the object ball.
I don't use a hard tip, but I'm still thinking that I should be able to get a little air on the ball.

Thanks.
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It's just harder to do.

You player weighs somewhere around 20oz for arguement, most jump cues weigh around 7oz-ish. So your going to need to accelerate your player something like 2 to 3x that of a jump cue just to equal speed.

Then a soft tip is going to eat up some energy and any flex in the shaft will as well, plus that flex will place a premium on CB strike accuracy.

In a nut shell , you have to hit it much harder with more 'stroke' accuracy.
 
Spin doctor, get an extension made for your jump cue...a 6" extension...then you'll be posting...why do people jump with full cues?, lol
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I'd love to learn to jump with my player.
Any tips?

I do the same thing I do with my jump cue. About the only thing that happens is that I drive the cue ball into the object ball.
I don't use a hard tip, but I'm still thinking that I should be able to get a little air on the ball.

Thanks.
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I learned to jump long before I got a jump cue. The jump cue is silly easy if you can jump already. Going from a jump cue to a full cue is something I can't imagine.

If you are driving the ball forward I am guessing you are not on top of it enough.... It's a fine line. And it does take some force to get the cue moving fast enough I think...

Back when I first learned I was using my playing cue with a LePro tip on it, nothing special. Once I got it a few times it was just about making it accurate. Keep trying it. Once you get air a couple times you'll know how it feels and it won't be hard to reproduce. Then you can work on making shots. I would first try to just get it off the table...not even over a ball...just learn to feel what it's like to hit it right to get air.


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I'm an amateur that does very little jumping (not allowed in our league or local tournaments). However, like someone else said in another thread about cue joints, 75% of the hit of a cue is due to the tip.

I have 2 Gilbert jump/break (j/b) cues that I picked up used. The first one I got came with a Moori Med. tip and I couldn't use it to jump at all. I sucked at jumping. As it turns out I ended up dumping my playing cue and started using the j/b as my playing cue.

Then I got a matching Gilbert playing cue and put a Samsara j/b tip on the Gilbert j/b cue and voila I could jump! Even better when I swaped out the Samsara tip for an Odega.

Then I picked up another used Gilbert j/b cue for cheap and it had a phenolic tip on it. Could jump fine with it. Then I had a Kamui black soft tip put on it (like my other players) so I could use it as my bar beater playing stick. And, now I can't jump at all with it.

So, to me it all has to do with the tip.
 
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