So should World Class Cue provide me with a $2000+ cue to make up for the one Tommy Stanfill stole from me? He was working with them and on their behalf....
Doesn't seem to me that it was their fault as they never even saw e cue.
Why would anyone do business with Bebot Bautista Cues?
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So should World Class Cue provide me with a $2000+ cue to make up for the one Tommy Stanfill stole from me? He was working with them and on their behalf....
Doesn't seem to me that it was their fault as they never even saw e cue.
Cool Buddy, just want to clear, is this for me since your post was next to mine? I understand your frustration but let me clear, i am not BEBOT BAUTISTA, nor related to him but i know him. But im glad you expressed your feelings, to make it light. hope all is well and have a nice day..
By the way, this is Al
I'm in the same boat as the OP: out about $400, and no cue or refund looming. Nothing against American artisans (I was going to buy a Josey; you can now imagine which maker I wish I had 'supported'), but I had recently spent some time in the Philippines, and met some great people there. Les took my money, Bebot and Mervin know this, and Mervin has promised to make things right. But, nearly a year later, I continue to wait, and nothing happens. Time to look up Keith Josey.
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No, it did come after your post Al but I was posting in case Bebot were to come across this thread.
Too bad this happened because I have always admired Bebots craftsmanship. There have been many
of his cues that I would have loved to buy. I know that Bebot has a family to support but this is no way to do business
and hope for repeat customers.
He should make it right with people that sent money and take up his unfinished business with Les privately.
Too bad this happened because I have always admired Bebots craftsmanship. There have been many
of his cues that I would have loved to buy. I know that Bebot has a family to support but this is no way to do business
and hope for repeat customers.
He should make it right with people that sent money and take up his unfinished business with Les privately.
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good day sir,.. for one reason, why we still selling our cues, and hoping that somebody would get it here is because we need to pay for our bills also and purchase some materials abroad that needs to be used in our shop,. as i have promised to you and to others as well, we will send your cue that you ordered/paid in full to les, but give us time to work with it, as the time that we cut our ties to les last june, we are about 20-25 cues behind, slowly we are now in the process of preparing all the cues that we need to send/ship one by one to all of you that les screwed up,.
for what les has doned and damaged the name of my dad, only one thing is we always wanted,. to start again and move on after what happened, we are not running to our obligations, we clearly know that, all i am asking is a consideration atleast as we also never expected that les would do such thing to you and the rest of the people whom he took all your money,..
i will keep you updated on your cue progress and the rest of the guys here,. thank you
best regards,
mervin
Cool Buddy, just want to clear, is this for me since your post was next to mine? I understand your frustration but let me clear, i am not BEBOT BAUTISTA, nor related to him but i know him. But im glad you expressed your feelings, to make it light. hope all is well and have a nice day..
By the way, this is Al
Thanks for the heads up AL....
Thank you for posting Mervin. I know it was a bad deal to get involved with Les and you guys have to pay your bills and eat as well.
All these guys wanted is to have some assurance that you haven't forgotten about them.
After all, they have bills to pay and families to feed and when money is tight, people don't just come across with extra money to put out on custom cues too.
Thanks again for keeping them in mind and good luck to you and your father.
All these guys wanted is to have some assurance that you haven't forgotten about them.
After all, they have bills to pay and families to feed and when money is tight, people don't just come across with extra money to put out on custom cues too.
Thanks again for keeping them in mind and good luck to you and your father.
thank you sir,.. we clearly understand the things that we had to fill in here after what les has doned to us and the rest of the guys,. we never wished to run nor hide with it, all i am asking is give us more time to prepare and finish all this cues one by one, so we can also move forward and start again,..
thanks again sir,..
mervin
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I been reading this thread off and on since it started and how a third party was the middle man and collected the money and so on.. Thats on way to lose your money thru placeing a order and another paying for the cue up front or a big deposite. Or even sending a cue back to get it repaired or to build another cue as the first cue was unsatisfactory, and in that case you become less important of a customer because they already got your money and were paid for the cue, So if you go on the list you are put on the back of the list... I just dont get that :frown: You think they would want a satisfied customer that they know already has the money to lay out for cues,,, I learn alot from AZ billiards of who and who not to deal with. Some is from others post and some are from my own experience,,,,,<< ED
I been reading this thread off and on since it started and how a third party was the middle man and collected the money and so on.. Thats on way to lose your money thru placeing a order and another paying for the cue up front or a big deposite. Or even sending a cue back to get it repaired or to build another cue as the first cue was unsatisfactory, and in that case you become less important of a customer because they already got your money and were paid for the cue, So if you go on the list you are put on the back of the list... I just dont get that :frown: You think they would want a satisfied customer that they know already has the money to lay out for cues,,, I learn alot from AZ billiards of who and who not to deal with. Some is from others post and some are from my own experience,,,,,<< ED
I don't know any of the people involved here but that won't stop me from making a suggestion.
I have come to a conclusion after reading many unfortunate stories here on az where, for whatever reasons, cuemakers have taken customers money (or cues) and have not completed the work.
A common theme is that the cuemaker(s) who have not delivered the goods, start becoming harder and harder to communicate with - many blame forces beyond their control like poor health, lost jobs, bad luck, bad business partners, etc., etc.
The conclusion I have come to is that the people who have suffered losses at the hands of these cuemakers all seem to want the same thing:
Close communication that includes updates on their cue's progress all leading to the ultimate resolution - Delivered Goods!
My suggestion is:
1. You should start a separate thread where you can list all of the customers to whom you owe a cue.
2. The list should show their cue's progress with an expected delivery date.
3. The list should also be updated weekly to show the progress made that week.
4. Until these customers actually receive their cues you should make yourself completely available to them so they will feel confident they're not being forgotten.
This kind of transparency and communication will go a long way toward rebuilding your customer relationships.
Just coming on az every once in a while and saying Les screwed you and to please give you some more time is not good enough, IMO.
You have to know how crappy it must feel for those who paid and didn't receive their cues to see you selling cues here in plain view, on az.
With all due respect, what these people need are results. Les was your problem, don't make him their problem.
I will say, though, that I do admire your coming on to offer some reassurance - it's a start.
Best,
Brian kc
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This is actually a very good thread, and it's not an attack on overseas cuemakers.
Nothing wrong with a little public reminder that you are still out $400.00.
Bebot Bautista should send you a cue, unless he had absolutely no association with The General.
Where is The General anyway?
My investigative skills tell me that if you could find Hangemhigh, you will find The General.
I would bet not coming, and posting on AZB. Think he burned that bridge!
Ohhhh, he seemed to be living it up in the Phillippines according to his Facebook. I have recently stopped connection there since he doesn't respond to my messages there anymore. He will probably friend you if you ask. Les Lacson. Not too many with that name!
. . .and as someone mentioned, this thread is not to be applied to Pinoy makers in general. If I had my $400, it would be going to someone local I have my eye on or Al Bautista.
I cannot believe that this is not crushing their business, because I'm thinking they are not selling a lot of $200 + cues in the Phillippines!
. . .and as someone mentioned, this thread is not to be applied to Pinoy makers in general. If I had my $400, it would be going to someone local I have my eye on or Al Bautista.
I cannot believe that this is not crushing their business, because I'm thinking they are not selling a lot of $200 + cues in the Phillippines!
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i personally refuse to pay for a name. some of these cue makers prices are outrageous!!! plain jane cue 1000 to 2000 dollars sneaky pete 600 get real... many people buy fancy named cues to show off or for collecting i buy for playabilty and if i can kind find a cue that plays just as good for a fraction of the price then call me an american.. i dont care where they come from!!! some of these guys wouldnt dream of buying a cue from a another country but drive a around in a honda
Glad to see Mervin's post here and receive the email from him.
By email, I suggested the same thing as Kickin' Chicken. I don't know if it needs daily updates or anything like that, but just tell us who is on the list and what you are making now to fulfill this obligation. I think this would make those of us on the waiting end happy and possibly do enough reputation mending to start getting more paying orders to pay the bills.
Please keep in touch.
By email, I suggested the same thing as Kickin' Chicken. I don't know if it needs daily updates or anything like that, but just tell us who is on the list and what you are making now to fulfill this obligation. I think this would make those of us on the waiting end happy and possibly do enough reputation mending to start getting more paying orders to pay the bills.
Please keep in touch.
many thanks sir nathan,.. as i have told you in my email, as soon as we start making progress on all that cues that needs to pay attention with, one by one, i will make an update to it,.. and to all the guys that was in the priority list,..
best regards,
mervin
i notice the same situation ..between Les Lacson, Bebot Bautista and tommy, Cash cue...
i just curious....why every member here seem to push Bebot to responsible 100% for Les action and it seem to me that nobody push World class cue and Cash cue for Tommy/Sam action...Just curious
Maybe i have a different opinion with most member here...but Les Lacson is not Bebot employee.. Les take an order from a customer, take a customer money then order it to Bebot. Les doesn't take a sallary.
It is true that bebot must responsible...but a 100% pay and responsible to all the customer that Les ripped off...cmon guys.....Give him a break...
ALL his fault just trust the wrong person....why you all have to punish the old man very hard...
i just curious....why every member here seem to push Bebot to responsible 100% for Les action and it seem to me that nobody push World class cue and Cash cue for Tommy/Sam action...Just curious
Maybe i have a different opinion with most member here...but Les Lacson is not Bebot employee.. Les take an order from a customer, take a customer money then order it to Bebot. Les doesn't take a sallary.
It is true that bebot must responsible...but a 100% pay and responsible to all the customer that Les ripped off...cmon guys.....Give him a break...
ALL his fault just trust the wrong person....why you all have to punish the old man very hard...
not the same- should be
I can see everyone wanting their money back but these two sets of circumstances do seem to be looked at differently. Perhaps there is a dirrerence I don't know about. Why are Cash Cues etc seemingly off the same hook this thread is about?
I can see everyone wanting their money back but these two sets of circumstances do seem to be looked at differently. Perhaps there is a dirrerence I don't know about. Why are Cash Cues etc seemingly off the same hook this thread is about?