Why would anyone do business with Bebot Bautista Cues?

nksmfamjp

nksmfamjp

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Honestly, these cues look nice and I know from my jump cue that you guys can make good cues. . .


. . . .but why would I do business with you on these cues after you guys and the_general took $400 from me and never delivered the cues I ordered?

Yes, I have addressed this with both parties and still have no cues or money. Yes, I can show transactions. . . blah, blah, blah

It just surprises me you are trying to still sell when so many folks are left with no cues and no money???

I will take any good cue shipped in exchange for funds paid.
 
I have a question:

Why would anyone here order a custom cue from the Philippines when there are countless, super talented American cue makers right here?

Why would you order a cue in a country where you have zero recourse if things go south?

Why order a cue from Asia where if something goes wrong, you're shipping the thing internationally just to get it fixed.

I agree with your post and I feel bad for everyone who was affected here. But gee whiz, I'd never order a custom cue from a maker overseas. Just way too much local talent here that have to adhere to American laws.

Dave
 
exactly

SpiderWebComm said:
I have a question:

Why would anyone here order a custom cue from the Philippines when there are countless, super talented American cue makers right here?

Why would you order a cue in a country where you have zero recourse if things go south?

Why order a cue from Asia where if something goes wrong, you're shipping the thing internationally just to get it fixed.

I agree with your post and I feel bad for everyone who was affected here. But gee whiz, I'd never order a custom cue from a maker overseas. Just way too much local talent here that have to adhere to American laws.

Dave
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Tap, tap, tap.
Couldn't agree more.
 
Lots of reasons to buy oustide NA, such as better looking wood, low prices, short waiting list etc.
 
I agree as well...if you are investing in a cue that you want to be your shooter, spend a few more bucks to get something you want within the states. I have heard some good things as well, but there are plenty of good cuemakers out there. I even created a directory awhile back on this.
 
Made in USA!

SpiderWebComm said:
I have a question:

Why would anyone here order a custom cue from the Philippines when there are countless, super talented American cue makers right here?

Why would you order a cue in a country where you have zero recourse if things go south?

Why order a cue from Asia where if something goes wrong, you're shipping the thing internationally just to get it fixed.

I agree with your post and I feel bad for everyone who was affected here. But gee whiz, I'd never order a custom cue from a maker overseas. Just way too much local talent here that have to adhere to American laws.

Dave
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So true. And not only buy American made but try and buy local. Here in Okla.City there is John Guffy(retired) Jim Ingram, Kent Taylor, Steve Kornelle, the late Verl Horn and many others. Pretty cool to see your cue maker while out playing pool. And who better to work on your cue than the maker? He already likes you cause you spent money with him.
 
I think that the honest, hard working Pinoy cuemakers should be very upset with these guys who haven't been nice to their customers. It reflects poorly on all of them and can, as we see in this thread, cost them all some business.

The good guys down there should put some genuine fire under some asses to make things right. :mad:

As was already pointed out, there's a multitude of great cuemakers that are only too happy to make cues for us right here in the USA.

Best,
Brian kc
 
Wolven said:
Lots of reasons to buy oustide NA, such as better looking wood, low prices, short waiting list etc.
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Better looking wood? I dunno. That's speculative and depends on which cue maker you're talking about here. One thing that would worry me is the 20000% humidity over there. Who knows how they cure their wood. For all you know, it's perfectly straight over there with the bazillion percent humidity and when it arrives here, it looks like Robin Hood's bow.

Low prices, ok.

Short waiting list? Not from the threads I'm reading on here. 95% of all American cue makers have a short waiting list. Take 3 or so cue makers of the US list and almost everyone else has a short list. That said, the 3 or so cue makers with a long list WANT a long list and CREATE the long list. It's all by-design and it's complete horsesh1t.... but hey... people keep buying them so it is what it is.

Dave
 
Wolven said:
Lots of reasons to buy oustide NA, such as better looking wood, low prices, short waiting list etc.
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There are still plenty of custom makers with short waiting lists, and anybody who does their homework can get the exact same kind of wood here as they can there to use in their cues. I honestly have to completely disagree with your reasoning.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I have a question:

Why would anyone here order a custom cue from the Philippines when there are countless, super talented American cue makers right here?

Why would you order a cue in a country where you have zero recourse if things go south?

Why order a cue from Asia where if something goes wrong, you're shipping the thing internationally just to get it fixed.

I agree with your post and I feel bad for everyone who was affected here. But gee whiz, I'd never order a custom cue from a maker overseas. Just way too much local talent here that have to adhere to American laws.

Dave
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I lived in Asia when the cue was ordered. I had bought a great jump cue from them and had been very satisfied.

I have this as a recourse because you may or may not know. . .Cues don't sell for US prices in the Phillippines. They sell for much less. So, the cuemaker's need this site, Ebay and word of mouth from customers like me to sell their ware's here for American prices. In other words, they want posts like this the least. I have tried to resolve this with both parties before this.

I agree with the local talent. No one is more talented than US cuemakers who are on their game. US cuemakers do have downsides. . .They have high material, labor and opportunity costs which they pass on to you the customer. Also, they seem, IME to have access to super exotic top quality wood with significantly less overhead in wood cost.

Also, some of these guys have proven to have top quality construction techniques, a superb sense of style, have great materials to work with. In addition, it seems like they can offer excellent value.

So now back to the post. . .which is my recourse!

BTW, I have no issue with the cue quality from this shop. . .only the way business has been handled with me and others.

Again, if someone from Bebot's team would like to send me a cue worthy of the $400 I have invested to this point, we could repair our relationship.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Why would anyone here order a custom cue from the Philippines when there are countless, super talented American cue makers right here?

Why would you order a cue in a country where you have zero recourse if things go south?
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I agree but ...

I'm Canadian, should I shun American cuemakers?

If there's tons of legal recourse why isn't Hangemhigh on the gallows in the town square?
 
master_cueist said:
There are still plenty of custom makers with short waiting lists, and anybody who does their homework can get the exact same kind of wood here as they can there to use in their cues. I honestly have to completely disagree with your reasoning.
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Same wood and design for what $2-3k more?
I have Filipino cues that are shockingly straight so far.
Those cues play as good as NA cues.
Getting screwed or getting substandard cue from NA maker is common as well.
Anyway, a lot of it is just luck.
 
been tired of reading those Oversea vs. American stuff:D.good thing there is no cuemaker on another planet:D

Life is a choice, just be wise to pick the good one..whether its from the other side of the world..If they like and love someone works they will buy it even if the maker doing it on space.

Hey my friend nathan, and to others who has the same problem, wish everything will be put in place, i understand how you feel on this specially when it comes to our hard earned money. I do hope the involve proponents will do the right thing specially to my Fellow Pinoy.:frown:.

Mabuhay!
 
You chose Les as your business partner. Les screwed you. You have an obligation to make things right with people who paid hard earned money for
one of your cues.

As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no business selling cues on AZ until you honor your obligations to these people. You owe these people cues and Less owes you money. What Les owes you has nothing to do with
what you owe the people on AZ who purchased cues from you.

Make it right or disappear.
Oh, and Les should have his butt banned as well. The more I read about this, the more I feel that is was an orchestrated event
between yourself and Les, to relieve people of their money and not deliver.
Lets prove different, OK.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
You chose Les as your business partner. Les screwed you. You have an obligation to make things right with people who paid hard earned money for
one of your cues.

As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no business selling cues on AZ until you honor your obligations to these people. You owe these people cues and Less owes you money. What Les owes you has nothing to do with
what you owe the people on AZ who purchased cues from you.

Make it right or disappear.
Oh, and Les should have his butt banned as well. The more I read about this, the more I feel that is was an orchestrated event
between yourself and Les, to relieve people of their money and not deliver.
Lets prove different, OK.
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It is kind of refreshing to see someone else doesn't view this as my bad choice. . . Cause frankly, there are a lot of American cuemakers who haven't delivered also. We know the names. It is not all American or all Pinoy cuemakers. This is about one cuemaker who thought they didn't have to deliver on their obligation because they got rid of the guy who helped them close those deals.

Now, after ripping off many AZ members, they think they can sell here again. That is wrong!

Btw...all I want is a cue worth what I have invested now. Mervin, I am willing to chock this up as an overseas misunderstanding, if I can get a cue.
 
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Inthink this is reasonable "just give me a cur worth the 400 I paid" they really should honor that i mean thats one hell of a easy out in this situation.

things like this just dont hurt their bussiness but every cuemakers bussiness.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Short waiting list? Not from the threads I'm reading on here. 95% of all American cue makers have a short waiting list. Take 3 or so cue makers of the US list and almost everyone else has a short list. That said, the 3 or so cue makers with a long list WANT a long list and CREATE the long list. It's all by-design and it's complete horsesh1t.... but hey... people keep buying them so it is what it is.

Dave
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Dave, you're so right. There are many highly desired cue makers here in the states with just a few months turnaround time.

Many times people who want to sell their used cues and cue flippers will inflate the perceived wait time by saying things such as: "Avoid the 3 year wait" when in reality if you go through the cue maker the wait is 3-6 months.

Of course the exact time depends on the cue maker.

I believe people will be pleasantly surprised if they will call up a few cue makers and have an honest conversation about what they are looking for.
 
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