Why would someone NOT want an LD shaft???

sfleinen said:
E. be able to jump and masse with their playing cue (easy to do with a plain maple shaft; try *that* with an LD shaft!);

-Sean
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I play english billiards and balkline mostly, and regularly masse with my OB pro.
While large half table pique is hard, and I don't get enough speed for 3 cushion, I find I actually have more control on the little touch masse/pique shots where you are trying to keep the balls together.
 
Pushout said:
I've never heard of anyone, ld shaft or no, who aim to miss a shot, ever. The foot stuff is bs, too. You're just making a hell of a lot more work for yourself for no reason. I find it hard to believe anyone would learn this way.
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Not the same story at all, but shooting UP a snooker table, you will often have to aim to miss by more than a ball. Though this is the nap, not whatever that other dude was talking about.
 
LD is a real nightmare,and especially for those who started play pool with these shafts.Later,they don't understand basics.
Also,as I said you have to carry them with you all the time because theirs vibrations could cause them to move all over so they could end up at yours neighbours house,what could be great as well if your neighbour is good looking female,but could be bad if she is he and crashes on guys!
Also,always there is a possibility to stop them vibrating every time after your game ends and to examine them one more time later just to be sure they are calm.
They are not good not even for women,too soft they are.
Women prefer firmness better.
One more bad thing regarding to them is since they are very good for baseball as a bat you could easily get without them if you bring them to any stadium.they are looking to be stolen.However there is a good thing related to them that is if you stop your LD shaft to vibrate after the game and you are sure it is calm and not moving,you can leave it anywhere in the street that isn't connected somehow to baseball and where there are no baseball plyers around,and it will wait you at the same spot where you left it.No one wouldn't even steal this crap.
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But the best answer on the question asked by this thread is:
Because he/she has good sense for good and for nice and quality things and understands:):wink::)
 
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There's many reasons why people wouldn't want an LD shaft.

The two most common and likely are

1) a lack of feel, a hollow feel to the hits.

2) Use BHE or a derivation there of and like a conventional bridge position.

Let's take a look at the advantages and disadvantages of ld shafts versus conventional.

Advantages:
LD shafts allow for more minute adjustments for use of side spin;

deviations are therefore smaller which in many circumstances gives a wider margin for error. Particularly for people who have less than stellar eyesight or visual spatial acuity.

Disadvantages:
Hollow feel, lack of feel;

stroke flaws on tighter tables will be more pronounced if not bridging at natural pivot point. Pivot points are farther back on LD shafts, so bridging at that point is rare.

Conventional shafts:
Advantages:

natural pivot point is closer to conventional bridge lengths (possibly why bridge lengths have traditionally been taught at those distances). This will mean that swiping or wrist pulls that are unintentional are more likely to result in the ball traveling at or close to the original aimpoint.

great feedback, feel. This is also apparent to exist in grades as denser shaft woods are typically thought to provide better feel. Bowling alley wood, old growth wood, etc...

Disadvantages:

If not bridging at the natural pivot point, or not being aware of the pivot point and what changes deviations from the pivot point make, stroke flaws are exacerbated in comparison to LD shafts.

Greater deviation in non side spin aimline to side spin aimline, which can result in greater difficulty in applying sidespin effectively and consistently.

Ok, so those are some of the advantages and disadvantages of both LD shafts and conventional shafts.

There are designs and things that can mitigate the problems of both or either.

I am currently using a conventional single piece non-laminated shaft that I have modified with my own LD shaft design (this is separate from and from before my tip designs) that lowers end mass while still maintaining a natural solid center shaft hit.

There are other designs used by commercial LD shaft makers like OB in their classic and McDermott in their I3 feel shaft that have similar results.

This only mitigates the feel factor though, so for those that want to use conventional shafts for the BHE benefits or the stroke flaw benefits, this won't help them.

Regardless of what tech you use, it is important to become aware of where your shafts natural pivot point is and how to use it to best effect.

Dr. Dave's site provides information on how to find it and what uses it has.

Jaden
 
New2Cue said:
If an LD shaft really does produce a straighter shot with less squirt, why do some people not want one? I understand that some people have been playing for a long time and possibly with the same cue so they might not want to have to relearn thei aiming but other than that what could be the reason?
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I am sure you heard about Dennis Orcollo missed an easy safety and fouled, CB touched the 8 ball in his safety attempt, he did not call it, and Mike D did not see it. But the main reason is he did not account for squirt in that shot. I do not know if he use LD or HD, but using LD shaft is extremely beneficial, and it is high advance knowledge not many know how to use it.
 
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