Why would someone NOT want an LD shaft???

I used to use ld shafts but would constantly switch back n forth to the original shaft.,but I no longer have one,.,i also don't care for the hollow feel and to me it affects the balance a lot,.,although the ld shaft could weigh similar the shaft itself is a lot lighter near the tip (on lds if used)

this is just my opinion--- when using a lower end cue I believe a ld shaft is more useful as most makers are not too concerned about their shaft quality compared to a custom maker,.,.and when using a custom cue I believe you take a lot of the "custom" away from the cue when using ld shaft.,. every custom cue maker makes their cues a certain way having a certain hit,.,imo a custom involves weight, balance, hit/feel, appearance and few other options,.,but when playing with 2 cues that is made to hit a certain way by 2 different makers they both hit very different a lot of times.,but by placing an ld shaft on them they will hit almost similar besides weight balance and appearance,.,thats just my opinion and my opinion will vary with a lot of people
 
New2Cue said:
If an LD shaft really does produce a straighter shot with less squirt, why do some people not want one? I understand that some people have been playing for a long time and possibly with the same cue so they might not want to have to relearn thei aiming but other than that what could be the reason?
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Biggest main reason is that their stroke is so bad and steering a lot to begin with, and will never admit to it, oh boy try to tell them that, all hell will break loose. Just give them another year and will convert, just like Efren, using two cues now in a match, or Grady Mathews always used two cues.

Using LD cue is tricky though, and takes a lot of getting used too, but on the long run it is a much better tool to use. Try it with snooker, it is a blessing..
 
New2Cue said:
If an LD shaft really does produce a straighter shot with less squirt, why do some people not want one? I understand that some people have been playing for a long time and possibly with the same cue so they might not want to have to relearn thei aiming but other than that what could be the reason?
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Because some of them play with a consistent stroke + effectively ? Maybe some like really big diameters?? LD is boring if it is too extreme. Too extreme LD is too easy to pocket, hard to control + best chance of getting a worse stroke.
 
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ps611846 said:
Yes you do. Otherwise you just aim to miss the shot. I don't aim to miss the shot, I aim to make the shot. Other guys aim to miss a little with their low deflection shaft, and aim to miss more when they play with a normal shaft. This is just guessing. Not a systematic approach. You can't play every shot with the same stance and same footwork. It will not work with every stroke you put on the cue ball and at every speed. I will not try to convince any body here. It is just my opinion. I just work hard on my game and I always do my best to keep the guesswork and adjustments out of it. I want to be able to explain what I do and do it with high level of awereness.
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You can move your feet around all day when using side spin if that is what you like to do. It won't help you shoot better though. Actually it is likely going to do the opposite.

If you are using backhand english with a LD shaft you really do not need to even adjust your aim to the pocket let alone move your feet. If you are using a solid maple shaft you simply need to aim a little inside/outside the pocket. No need to change your stance.
 
Drawing a cueball with LD shaft seems to be impossible:smile::cool::smile:
Also,you can't aply an inside english to the cueball.
Think this is more than enough
 
Charlie Dunn, he's the one!

Banks said:
Hu - do you recommend any particular custom shoe maker?

Also, any aftermarket insole?
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A little known secret, Charlie Dunn made pool boots!

With a pair of Charlie Dunn's on your feet the low deflection is built in from the ground up, you can't miss! It would be unAmerican to put an insole in a Charlie Dunn boot.

Hu

http://www.famoustexans.com/charliedunn.htm

Jerry Jeff 'splaining bout Charlie

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=7C599AA27B18E787E61D7C599AA27B18E787E61D
 
TheNewSharkster said:
You can move your feet around all day when using side spin if that is what you like to do. It won't help you shoot better though. Actually it is likely going to do the opposite.

If you are using backhand english with a LD shaft you really do not need to even adjust your aim to the pocket let alone move your feet. If you are using a solid maple shaft you simply need to aim a little inside/outside the pocket. No need to change your stance.
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This is guesswork. I don't do it that way. I don't aim to miss the shot. And I don't use backhand the way you describe. I would call it pivot sidespin. I don't always use center cue ball to pivot from. It doesn't work well for me.

Do whatever you want. Just don't be so sure you know everything. There are students of the game all over the world. And there are many ways to pocket balls. Keep an open mind.
 
It is VERY simple.

I switched to a LD shaft from a southwest shaft that I love. I play A LOT better with the LD shaft especially on bar tables with slower cloth. I can make long distance shots and put more jive on the ball.

I agree the hit is a lot less satisfying but that is more for my own enjoyment than affecting my game.

I cannot jump as well but that is a small sacrifice for the other benefits I get.
 
ps611846 said:
Yes. I will start reading books and watching instructional videos. The ones that Efren Reyes and Francisco Bustamante were studuying when they were learning how to play. And maybe .I will come to you to teach me the straight stroke, the vision center, the ghost ball, proper grip, stance, etc..... I have a lot to learn from you.....
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Both of the players you describe have highly unconventional strokes and styles. While many players try to emulate them the timing required for someone putting an average amount of time into their game is not plausible.

If you are someone that can use that style with consistent success I applaud you but I cannot rely on being able to put in hours of practice everyday in order to stay in stroke and so I have adopted a more conventional style more akin to the European players.
 
ps611846 said:
This is guesswork. I don't do it that way. I don't aim to miss the shot. And I don't use backhand the way you describe. I would call it pivot sidespin. I don't always use center cue ball to pivot from. It doesn't work well for me.

Do whatever you want. Just don't be so sure you know everything. There are students of the game all over the world. And there are many ways to pocket balls. Keep an open mind.
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I am a student of the game and have had training from some very accomplished professional players. Not one of them taught me to change stance when applying side spin.

If you are not pivoting from the center of the cue ball you are likely using parallel english. I personally use parallel when I apply inside spin and I know for a fact it increases the amount of deflection. If you do not like to aim outside the pocket when using side spin why on earth would you use parallel english?
 
I use maple shafts/non LD...always have. Recently went from 13mm to 11.8.

I tried an early OB...It wasn't for me. I felt that it had a deader feel and feedback than my maple shafts....this was a long time ago...maybe I should revisit the subject.

Likely, because I have an impure stroke, I make uncounscious adjustments to try to make balls, both from an aiming point and stroke delivery standpoint.

If I had an LD shaft that hits where you point it...I would have to start all over again, and learn to aim...and stroke straight...and have no excuse for missing....I'll stand pat where I am...too stubborn to change..


Get off my lawn, fkn kids.:eek::mad:
 
ps611846 said:
Yes, I am mad !!!! But I don't play 2D Pool and I Do know some things about applying sidespin properly. I am not at the mercy of cue ball squirt - deflection or whatever. And
I also don't "feel" the shot or "imagine". I know how to place my feet, my cue and my eyes. Do you know any of these ? Do you know what you don't know ?????

Play well. And don't miss your contact points, vision center, straight stroke, etc....
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Take a pill ... relax, sit back and breath
 
LD shafts do not play better. That is a myth. Just play slightly different. Either way you can play top speed.
 
ps611846 said:
Yes you do. Otherwise you just aim to miss the shot. I don't aim to miss the shot, I aim to make the shot. Other guys aim to miss a little with their low deflection shaft, and aim to miss more when they play with a normal shaft. This is just guessing. Not a systematic approach. You can't play every shot with the same stance and same footwork. It will not work with every stroke you put on the cue ball and at every speed. I will not try to convince any body here. It is just my opinion. I just work hard on my game and I always do my best to keep the guesswork and adjustments out of it. I want to be able to explain what I do and do it with high level of awereness.
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Do you have any video of you playing?
 
ps611846 said:
Yes you do. Otherwise you just aim to miss the shot. I don't aim to miss the shot, I aim to make the shot. Other guys aim to miss a little with their low deflection shaft, and aim to miss more when they play with a normal shaft. This is just guessing. Not a systematic approach. You can't play every shot with the same stance and same footwork. It will not work with every stroke you put on the cue ball and at every speed. I will not try to convince any body here. It is just my opinion. I just work hard on my game and I always do my best to keep the guesswork and adjustments out of it. I want to be able to explain what I do and do it with high level of awereness.
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I've never heard of anyone, ld shaft or no, who aim to miss a shot, ever. The foot stuff is bs, too. You're just making a hell of a lot more work for yourself for no reason. I find it hard to believe anyone would learn this way.
 
I can't masse with an LD shaft, but with a standard shaft I can curve the white ball quite well.

When I play with my dad and masse I ask to borrow his cue for the shot. Pisses him off to no end when I make it....... When I don't on the other hand..... Well he has a good laugh lol
 
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