Will Schon ever do sharp points again?

On full splice cues, it was to achieve something. Namely warp resistance. It didnt need to be done to stiffen anything up, a solid piece of maple is stiff enough. The first 2 piece cues were cut down full splices, and some full splices meant to end up as 2 piece cues.
When supply of quality full splices wasnt there, people started duplicating the look with the short splice. It has carried on from there. Today, people have been convinced that spliced point cues are better. Its a better construction technique. Its better playability. Its better this or that. When in reality, its just the way its been done for a long time. Its nostalgia.
Chuck
 
RiverCity said:
On full splice cues, it was to achieve something. Namely warp resistance. It didnt need to be done to stiffen anything up, a solid piece of maple is stiff enough. The first 2 piece cues were cut down full splices, and some full splices meant to end up as 2 piece cues.
When supply of quality full splices wasnt there, people started duplicating the look with the short splice. It has carried on from there. Today, people have been convinced that spliced point cues are better. Its a better construction technique. Its better playability. Its better this or that. When in reality, its just the way its been done for a long time. Its nostalgia.
Chuck
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YOU HAVE NOT THE INFO OR KNOWLEDGE AND IT SHOWS BY YOUR FIRST STATEMENT........FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE FULL SPLICE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WARP RESISTANCE....NOT ONE DARN THING TO DO WITH WARP RESISTANCE..........there's nothing worse than someone thinking and trying to make their opinions fact in a public venue without prior and proper study.

There is nothing thats makes me happier to state the truth. Especially when it comes to things affiliated with my dearest of games.....BILLIARDS.

You have no history studied, no facts.....just opinionated thoughts that have no backing......pissing in the wind is how we say it down south.

if you want to know some facts just ask. opinions dont make facts

simple as that,
-Grey Ghost-
 
Along with weight and balance, resistance to warping was indeed a reason for the splice. A byproduct was that it also added nicer harmonics to the hit. Burton Spain even went as far as to add an additional butterfly splice to try and completely eliminate any possible warpage.
Not my opinion, common wood working practice used in more than pool cues.
Chuck
 
RiverCity said:
Along with weight and balance, resistance to warping was indeed a reason for the splice. A byproduct was that it also added nicer harmonics to the hit. Burton Spain even went as far as to add an additional butterfly splice to try and completely eliminate any possible warpage.
Not my opinion, common wood working practice used in more than pool cues.
Chuck
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actually the berger style splice was invented over a century ago in france......it was invented as a better way of joining two seperate pieces of wood together......better b/c the horse hide glues of yesteryear were very weak compared to our standards today.

Because of the lack of strength in their glues they had no option but to devise a way to increase the glueing area exponentially so that the added area made up in its lack of adhesion.

compared to a fullsplice a "A" jointed cue has tremendously less glueing area.......

this is the reason why.....not balance, not stability. THE LACK OF GLUEING TECHNOLOGY DROVE THE INVENTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD.

Same reason they used to use mortice and tennon construction on homes.....b/c they had no nails or very few.

Lack of joining technology has been the deciding factor on design since the dawn of time.


church,
-Grey Ghost-
 
Given equal thickness of the webs at the base of the points, the prong section of a full splice cue has exactly 100.0% the glueing surface a short splice prong section has. The fronts are identical.
 
RiverCity said:
Burton Spain even went as far as to add an additional butterfly splice to try and completely eliminate any possible warpage.
Not my opinion.
Chuck
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The second splice, which is not a butterfly splice, was added for weight savings not for resistance to warping.
 
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RiverCity said:
You are referring to his regular double splice which he came up with for heavier woods such as ebony etc. He also did a double splice where the other splice was indeed a butterfly for extra warp resistance.
http://www.internationalcuemakers.com/?page=halloffame
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=25791
Chuck
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That is a double splice, not a butterfly splice for warpage resistance. The examples you show of Spain's work or influence are double spliced, never read Spain mention it was for anything other than weight savings. You may be assuming it was for a reduction in warpage since you read it from a website without knowing who actually wrote that assertion, but I don't ever recall reading him state that as a reason for the double splice.

Raist's (titlistsucker) comments were referring to the use of Pear wood, and he noted that it had a propensity to warp. The woods used by Spain were known for their stability and playability, not a propensity to warp like Pear wood.
 
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