Winning One-Pocket

Which Edition of Winning One-Pocket is More Valuable?

  • The Original First Edition

    Votes: 12 54.5%

  • The Newer Second Edition

    Votes: 10 45.5%
  • Total voters
    22
O

oceanweb

Banned
Winning One-Pocket (Ebay Dispute)

I recently received this message from an ebay user viewing my Ebay auction for the book "Winning One-Pocket".

"How can you say this book is more valuable than the vastly improved second edition??? I consider it unethical to advertize this book as more valuable than the second edition when for the past several years on eBay, the vastly improved second edition almost always gets the higher prices."

Let's get this cleared up........

Greg.
 
Last edited:
"for the past several years on eBay, the....second edition almost always gets the higher prices."

I did a little research and discovered that this quote came directly from Eddie Robins' authorized Ebay seller. After searching for completed items, I was unable to find a single time that the second edition brought a higher price than the first edition.

Why would someone so knowledgeable in such matters intentionally give false information?
 
While I would like to see a copy of this book, several sources told me it is highly overrated as an instructional book on One Pocket. I would appreciate any feedback on this.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
While I would like to see a copy of this book, several sources told me it is highly overrated as an instructional book on One Pocket. I would appreciate any feedback on this.
Click to expand...
While the book is very technical in nature, and reminiscent of a high school trigonometry book, it is the best resource that I have ever seen on the game. It’s a must have for serious students of one-pocket.
 
Thanks for the info---I thought it was mainly pool stories. I would really like to see a copy---maybe buy one someday.
 
I'm An Avid Reader

If you go to your local library and request a copy of W.O.P. or S.M.&S. and they don't have it, they will do a computer search of other libraries around the country and get it for you on an Inter-Library Loan program.

If you receive a copy and then report it lost, stolen, destroyed in a flood,tornado or hurricane, eaten by the dog, etc. , you will be billed for it's original cost (and not current value).

You might have to go all the way to the Library Of Congress to find a library copy, but in this case you'd be out of luck. The Library Of Congress sent their copy to someone.......... and they LOST IT !

Doug
( some other library sent Shot,Moves & Strategies and they lost that TOO )

(these are MUST HAVE books.... imo )



.
 
Absolutely. I have both books, and when I get back into the game next year, these two books will be the ONLY written source I will use. Without ever having seen a real game of One Pocket, I was able to spot capable shooters 2-3 balls after going through these two books. If Robins did a reprint and charged $100.00 a book at DCC, they'd sell out in a day. If the reprint included stories and photos of modern day players, they'd sell out in hours..

Concerning the stories, in a few years, the stories in WOP and SMAS will be one of the only records of some of the great players to first take up One Pocket.

Russ
 
oceanweb said:
I did a little research and discovered that this quote came directly from Eddie Robins' authorized Ebay seller. After searching for completed items, I was unable to find a single time that the second edition brought a higher price than the first edition.

Why would someone so knowledgeable in such matters intentionally give false information?
Click to expand...
Are you sure you are talking about the same book? I communicated with Eddie Robin and what he told me was that W.O.P is the first volume and Shots, Moves & Strategies is revized and more informative second volume. These are different books. (I've got both, signed by him, but didn't yet dive deep enough into the world of One Pocket to evaluate which of the volumes is better in terms of instruction. I'll just believe the author here.)

In case there is a first (and second) edition of W.O.P. to compare what you are talking about, dunno if second should be different in any way. :confused:

Hope I did not sound confusing.
 
There are 2 editions of Winning One-Pocket. The first (and original) edition was published in 1993 and is out of print. The second edition was published in 1996.

The first edition also includes 5 sheets of toilet paper.

Hope this helps.
Greg.
 
Last edited:
I have read that the second editon was a revision of the first edition with some additional and valuable information that made the second edition a better instructional book.... a more valuable tool.. if you will.
 
oceanweb said:
There are 2 editions of Winning One-Pocket. The first (and original) edition was published in 1993 and is out of print. The second edition was published in 1996.
The first edition also includes 5 sheets of toilet paper.
Click to expand...
Just checked the eBay link and read about the difference (rare flyers included). Second edition must be out of print as well though, like all Robin's books already are?
Not trying to make a point that you are wrong declaring first edition to be most valued, but dont' see yet enough reasons for it to be.
GL with your auction, the price is still very reasonable! I believe it is worth at least twice as much as it is now ($75).
JimS said:
I have read that the second editon was a revision of the first edition with some additional and valuable information that made the second edition a better instructional book.... a more valuable tool.. if you will.
Click to expand...
yeah, just like Eddie R. told me. Though I don't remember if it was about two different books or different editions of W.O.P., sorry.
 
I wanted to participate in your poll but I got hung up on the word "valuable".

I've read that the second edition is a better instructional tool so you could say that regarding it's educational level it's more a more valuable tool.

Monetairly I just dont know for sure. I'd think the first edition would be, like most books worth money but I've heard one pocket player on the internet say that #2 is worth more money because it's an improved book.

Valuable tool or worth more money? Hell I don't know!
 
Well, IMHO, all the Robin books are worth minimum of $200 apiece. If you get a copy of one of them, first or second edition, for less, you got a sweet deal. The price difference between either of these books and Koehler's book shows their rareity and value as educational material.

Please show me another book that picks the brain of 3 all time greats on hundreds of One Pocket situations. That element boosts the price of the book alone.

Russ
 
Winning One Pocket and Shots Moves and Strategies are two diferent books. Shots Moves and Strategies is somewhat more instructional than Winning One Pocket but it is not a revised edition of Winning One Pocket.

Traditionally, Winning One Pocket should be worth more than Shots Moves and Strategies. It should also be "worth" more than any reprint of Winning One Pocket. For instructional value I would hope that a revised edition of either book would be worth more.

I don't understand why Mr. Robin does not reprint these books. With the new interest in one pocket out there it seems as though he would do well with them.
 
1st Edition Could Be Worth More $$$$$ If You Have The Correction Papers With It. Have Seen Copies Of #2 For $500 On Ebay. Don't Know If They Sold Though.
 
I've sold thousands of these books and should know.

First of all, I've several emails to choose from and used the one everybody knows as mine so what is the bull about me being unethical. I simply told the truth which is that the second edition normally pulls in more money and that means it's the more valuable of the two. Who should know better than one who has sold the most of both editions and who probably watches the market on these books as close as any because, other than social security, the 2 to 5 books I sell per month pay my bills!

I know that the second edition is the far better book for players is the reason that it has sold, in general of course, for significantly higher prices for the past year. The reason is far more than the fact that it has added sections, its because the first edition was so full of errors because of a converting program mishap at the printers. I finally gave up upon realizing that the five erratta sheets to straighten out errors would eventually become a book in itself had I continued; it has that many errors and they are there for anybody who has the time to count past a thousand. I was embarrassed at such a poor product and so put out the second edition. That book is so bad that even I couldn't understand most of the section on diamond systems and methods and they are my own diamond systems and methods!

How could things get so crazy? I received an email from a player wanting my books just today and his email indicated that I was only the editor of my own books. I thought it was his error and he sent me the link to this forum. Hells bells, I'm no writer, or even a speller for that matter and still don't understand what verbs and adverbs are; I never got past the 8th grade in grammar school. I can't put out the kind of books currently in high demand without an editor and, thankfully I had two terrific editors, Lloyd Welcome for the second-edition Winning One-Pocket and James Haake before him on the Position Play in 3-Cushion Billiards and then the first edition of Winning One-Pocket. James Haake is deceased but Lloyd might see this note and jump in re this subject, for he would certainly know who wrote, designed, and in general wrote my books.

My co-authors were co-authors; they proved quite valuable in that regard despite the very short time they actually worked (between two hours for one of them on up to about 18 hours each for the hardest working top three, who shall remain unnamed of course, worked the hardest (you know who you are but this is as far I can go--thanks again). I owe those guys for they made very little before I went out of business but they deserve better and will do better if and when I can get back into business).

I doubt that any co-author will say otherwise to the above, but if that should be the case and ANY co-author remembers differently, I'd suggest he ask me to remind him of the correspondence between us (I've got several boxes of CD back-ups in storage). I'm now happy for having one particular weaknes I've been fighting lately; I'm admittedly a pack-rat. I've got tapes of interviews, letters, and so that should have been thrown away years ago. Glad to have those things now.

The co-authors didn't even get to see the books until they were almost fully completed. How else could they help long-distance. No co-author ever came to where I was working. I'd send my work so they would have what they needed to provide their quite valuable opinions. As valuable as those opinions were, I have a number of letters to remind me, and to prove if necessary, as to how I'd requested and received exactly what I asked from my co-authors, on the average, several hours each of their quite valuable opinions.

I won't even re-read what i've written until later or tomorrow; I'm that frustrated that I would have to defend myself like this to the point of being an author of my own books yet. As for my co-authors; I'm tuly quite sorry I feel the need to point out some truths as I have done here. I find it hard to believe so much of what i've been told over the past few months is an accident. There must be at least one or two with bad intentions out there; they know who they are and I've got the proof if they continue their dirty tactics much longer. There are some that have little regard for truth or what is right and they make things tougher for the rest of us.

Before signing off I once again would like to thank the many, certainly the great majority of my readers, that appreciate my work and realize the strong desire I have to help them learn.

Before I sign off let me provide an example of what occurs when some who doesn't know the game simply copies from my books in the believe a change in wording will cover it up. I'd mentioned how Clem Metz learned that it was impossible to beat Ed "The Bear" Taylor at one-pocket unless you blocked his long-rail banking lanes. Other writers seem to have altered the wording to where many of you out there began blocking banking lane of your opponents. Clem was referring to a match with Ed Taylor!!! There never was another, and, no matter what you may have been hearing or reading lately, there might never be another Ed Taylor. I've got a story in the third and last one-pocket book of the thre-book set that will convince you for i was an eye-witness to the fact that NOBODY WAS QUITE CLOSE TO TAYLOR IN HIS PRIME -- NOBODY!!! In 1993 when he was still a great source of data, he provided me with the names of the greatest bank-pool players of all time. I doubt whether any of you out there, and i know there are plenty of you with tons of data under your belts, would know the names on that list for I never heard of them before!

By the way, nobody seems to have copied anything out of the third one-pocket book yet; wonder why.

Sorry for a somewhat unpleasant letter; I'll probably be much nicer when i next get back to AZbilliards. I'm obviously not much of a polititian and I have been known to make waves, but, as one of world's greatest 9-ball players has recently said, "but that's me."

for a more ethical billiard word and the playing of a better game,

Eddie Robin

PS: Don't know much yet about these forums work and I hope someone will be kind enough to place this on the right thread if I have not already done so.

> Main Forum > Winning One-Pocket
Reload this Page Reply to Thread
Welcome, Niborst.
You last visited: 07-06-2006 at 01:08 AM
Private Messages: Unread 5, Total 9.
User CP Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat New Posts Search Quick Links Log Out

Search Forums

Advanced Search
Chat In Forum Web Page
Chat In A New Window (pop-up)
Quick Links
Today's Posts
Mark Forums Read
Open Buddy List
User Control Panel
Edit Signature
Edit Profile
Edit Options
Miscellaneous
Private Messages
Subscribed Threads
My Profile
Who's Online
Wei Table
Wei Table
Cuetable
Go to Page...
Thread: Winning One-Pocket> Main Forum > Winning One-Pocket
Reload this Page Reply to Thread
Welcome, Niborst.
You last visited: 07-06-2006 at 01:08 AM
Private Messages: Unread 5, Total 9.
User CP Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat New Posts Search Quick Links Log Out

Search Forums

Advanced Search
Chat In Forum Web Page
Chat In A New Window (pop-up)
Quick Links
Today's Posts
Mark Forums Read
Open Buddy List
User Control Panel
Edit Signature
Edit Profile
Edit Options
Miscellaneous
Private Messages
Subscribed Threads
My Profile
Who's Online
Wei Table
Wei Table
Cuetable
Go to Page...
Thread: Winning One-Pocket> Main Forum > Winning One-Pocket
Reload this Page Reply to Thread
Welcome, Niborst.
You last visited: 07-06-2006 at 01:08 AM
Private Messages: Unread 5, Total 9.
User CP Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat New Posts Search Quick Links Log Out

Search Forums

Advanced Search
Chat In Forum Web Page
Chat In A New Window (pop-up)
Quick Links
Today's Posts
Mark Forums Read
Open Buddy List
User Control Panel
Edit Signature
Edit Profile
Edit Options
Miscellaneous
Private Messages
Subscribed Threads
My Profile
Who's Online
Wei Table
Wei Table
Cuetable
Go to Page...
Thread: Winning One-Pocket> Main Forum > Winning One-Pocket
Reload this Page Reply to Thread
Welcome, Niborst.
You last visited: 07-06-2006 at 01:08 AM
Private Messages: Unread 5, Total 9.
User CP Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat New Posts Search Quick Links Log Out

Search Forums

Advanced Search
Chat In Forum Web Page
Chat In A New Window (pop-up)
Quick Links
Today's Posts
Mark Forums Read
Open Buddy List
User Control Panel
Edit Signature
Edit Profile
Edit Options
Miscellaneous
Private Messages
Subscribed Threads
My Profile
Who's Online
Wei Table
Wei Table
Cuetable
Go to Page...
Thread: Winning One-Pocket
 
Why 2nd Edit normally the More Valuable and gets more dough

Just read what was submitted and then decide to add a bit more. First editions are normally more valuable but in this particular case, we have collectors vs. people wanting to learn. Obviously the people wanting to learn far outnumber the collectors. This fact is soooo obvious i'm sorry for those that had to waste their time just reading these posts.

For better play,

Eddie Robin

Hope I've made at least as many friends as enemies on this day.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top