Women in the US Open

My .02

If Men were allowed into Women's events you would more then likely see a drastic decline of Women playing pool. Women rely on being able to cash regularly in those events to make a living. I also think that if all tournaments were open to both sexes we would see a world champion female sooner then later. It would be good for their game but bad for their wallets. And because of that there will only be a handful of Women that would even be remotely considered a threat to any of the top men.

Kai
 
IplayBAD said:
In my honest opinion if women are allowed to play with men somebody please give me one good reason why men should not be allowed to play with women, I will retract my entire argument and humblely apologize.
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Men are allowed to play with women. Just watch the upcoming US Open.


Seriously though, please stop with your argument. Your logic is flawed. You are trying to make a comparison between a Tour (that is sanctioned by a Women's organization) and a single tournament (not sanctioned by a gender specific organization). They are not the same thing.
 
deebee53 said:
Men are allowed to play with women. Just watch the upcoming US Open.


Seriously though, please stop with your argument. Your logic is flawed. You are trying to make a comparison between a Tour (that is sanctioned by a Women's organization) and a single tournament (not sanctioned by a gender specific organization). They are not the same thing.
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His logic is not flawed. The Women's US Open event has always been a kinda of separate event from the WPBA Classic Tour, just like the WPBA Nationals event. In other words, if one was to get an exemption and/or win the RTC, it ALWAYS states the US Open and Nationals is not included. I know I'm not expressing this with the correct nomenclature, so I'm sure I'll get blasted, but those two events are not "WPBA Classic Tour" events, even though the points from the events are included in the standings.

I agree whole heartedly with IplayBad. He took my opinion! ;) lol
 
Agreed

I think it will be great for the game to see top women competing with the top men. All these people making a fuss about men should be able to join a womans tournament need to get a grip. Enjoy it for what it is, a lot of the top pros (men and women) playing in the same tournament.
 
God DAMN!
There is an endless supply of crybabies on this forum.

It's an independent event.
As such, Barry can do whatever the hell he wants in regards to women being allowed to play or not allowed to play. IT'S HIS TOURNAMENT!

If you don't like that he opened it up to women, START YOUR OWN TOURNAMENT AND BAN WOMEN!!!!!!!

Maybe we should start a new sub-forum called CRYBABIES!!
Unreal!
 
akaTrigger said:
His logic is not flawed. The Women's US Open event has always been a kinda of separate event from the WPBA Classic Tour, just like the WPBA Nationals event. In other words, if one was to get an exemption and/or win the RTC, it ALWAYS states the US Open and Nationals is not included. I know I'm not expressing this with the correct nomenclature, so I'm sure I'll get blasted, but those two events are not "WPBA Classic Tour" events, even though the points from the events are included in the standings.

I agree whole heartedly with IplayBad. He took my opinion! ;) lol
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Those two tournaments are different because they are considered the WPBA's "majors". There is a different qualifying process for those. You qualify for the US Open by being ranked above a certain level or by winning a state championship. In a perfect WPBA world where we have more tournaments, it is mid-season. The Nationals, which has been changed to the Tour Championships is the end of the year thing based totally on rankings for the year. You have to finish the year out well to be invited. Winners of various other tournaments that are prestigous are also invited, ie, Junior Nationals, ACUI, APA championships (this has changed over the years, I'm not 100% sure that all of those get spots anymore). As you can see, they are not part of the Classic Tour because they have different qualifying requirements. They are in a way, reward tournaments for playing well throughout the year. As I said, that is based on a year more filled with tournaments.

I'm not saying that to argue the point. It is true that there is argument in not letting a man play in a womens event. The same argument came up with the PGA and the PBA when a woman was entered into a mens event. I believe a woman actually won a men's bowling event. I think it comes down to the fact that the women actually have an organization. I'm sure if there was a Men's Pro Tour again, it would be closed to women. Like someone else said, this is an independent event. In the long run, it could be a win/win for both sides if handled properly.

Just to clear up someone else's post about sponsors putting the girls in. I do thank my sponsor PoolDawg for putting me in. I appreciate the opportunity. I do have to say, that even if I didn't have a sponsor, I still would have paid the entry to play. I sponsored myself to play in the US Open 10ball as well. So it isn't based on sponsorship.

ForumGhost, your post was well written. I'm glad you are getting the chance to play in the Open this year as well! Good luck!

All in all, it is good to see so many players signed up already, 5 months before the tournament!

Sarah
 
sarahrousey said:
Those two tournaments are different because they are considered the WPBA's "majors". There is a different qualifying process for those. You qualify for the US Open by being ranked above a certain level or by winning a state championship. In a perfect WPBA world where we have more tournaments, it is mid-season. The Nationals, which has been changed to the Tour Championships is the end of the year thing based totally on rankings for the year. You have to finish the year out well to be invited. Winners of various other tournaments that are prestigous are also invited, ie, Junior Nationals, ACUI, APA championships (this has changed over the years, I'm not 100% sure that all of those get spots anymore). As you can see, they are not part of the Classic Tour because they have different qualifying requirements. They are in a way, reward tournaments for playing well throughout the year. As I said, that is based on a year more filled with tournaments.

I'm not saying that to argue the point. It is true that there is argument in not letting a man play in a womens event. The same argument came up with the PGA and the PBA when a woman was entered into a mens event. I believe a woman actually won a men's bowling event. I think it comes down to the fact that the women actually have an organization. I'm sure if there was a Men's Pro Tour again, it would be closed to women. Like someone else said, this is an independent event. In the long run, it could be a win/win for both sides if handled properly.

Just to clear up someone else's post about sponsors putting the girls in. I do thank my sponsor PoolDawg for putting me in. I appreciate the opportunity. I do have to say, that even if I didn't have a sponsor, I still would have paid the entry to play. I sponsored myself to play in the US Open 10ball as well. So it isn't based on sponsorship.

ForumGhost, your post was well written. I'm glad you are getting the chance to play in the Open this year as well! Good luck!

All in all, it is good to see so many players signed up already, 5 months before the tournament!

Sarah
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Thank you, Sarah, for the clarification on those two events.

Can't wait to follow you in the US Open in Oct!
 
FWIW, there are no 'Mens tournaments'. Every pro 'mens' event is designated an open event which technically should mean everyone who can qualify or pay the entry fee can play. Nowhere in the title of The World 9 Ball Championships does it designate gender. Comparatively the WPBA IS a gender based tour.

Personally I think the idea of mens and womens tournaments are an outdated concept, especially seeing as Jasmine has reached a semi-final of "mens" world championship.
 
akaTrigger said:
His logic is not flawed. The Women's US Open event has always been a kinda of separate event from the WPBA Classic Tour, just like the WPBA Nationals event. In other words, if one was to get an exemption and/or win the RTC, it ALWAYS states the US Open and Nationals is not included. I know I'm not expressing this with the correct nomenclature, so I'm sure I'll get blasted, but those two events are not "WPBA Classic Tour" events, even though the points from the events are included in the standings.

I agree whole heartedly with IplayBad. He took my opinion! ;) lol
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Different tournaments have different qualifications/restrictions. What does the restrictions of one have anything to do with another?

Your argument is the same as this:

Your Ford car should not be allowed in a national car show (which does not have Brand restrictions) because there is a National Corvette Show every year.


Your argument tries to force a connection between two independent events that just does not exist.
 
Poolfiend said:
Same reason you wouldn't allow adults to play in junior tournaments. Certain tournaments are created to bring all the best players in the world together under one roof and battle it out for the title - Man or Woman. Other tournaments are created to bring a specific division of players together and give everyone in that division a chance to win - like the WPBA.
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Great answer here! Thanks.
 
CueCaps said:
Would a guy be proud to say "I just won the 2010 Woman's Open Tournament"....:confused:

:wink:
Just for thought..:)
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Why would any man be ashamed of winning a women's tournament have you seen the way women play now a days? If you personally were able to win the 2010 womans US Open are you saying that you feel like you beat an inferior opponent? This statement could be definately taken the wrong way as women do not play as good as men.

deebee53 said:
Men are allowed to play with women. Just watch the upcoming US Open.


Seriously though, please stop with your argument. Your logic is flawed. You are trying to make a comparison between a Tour (that is sanctioned by a Women's organization) and a single tournament (not sanctioned by a gender specific organization). They are not the same thing.
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We are talking about an event that is one in the same which Sarah Rousey was kind enough to clairify, so I dont think in any way my logic is flawed, if you were to re-read my posts I think the participation in pool whether from man, woman, or child is a great think again just hypocritical that one gender is allowed in one tournament not another?

akaTrigger said:
His logic is not flawed. The Women's US Open event has always been a kinda of separate event from the WPBA Classic Tour, just like the WPBA Nationals event. In other words, if one was to get an exemption and/or win the RTC, it ALWAYS states the US Open and Nationals is not included. I know I'm not expressing this with the correct nomenclature, so I'm sure I'll get blasted, but those two events are not "WPBA Classic Tour" events, even though the points from the events are included in the standings.

I agree whole heartedly with IplayBad. He took my opinion! ;) lol
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Trigger,
Thank you very much for your reply apparently you are the only one that sees what I am trying to say I am not crying or saying that women should not be allowed, I think say your a champion means beating champion players reguardless of your gender. I fully support everyone being able to play together but what is good for one should be good for the other is all I am getting at.

And for everybody else seriously re-read what I have said the original poster asked for everyones opinion of the situation, I gave mine and didn't call anybody names or spew out some garbage trying to verbally thrash another member, I have a difference of views from other people and have in a very tactful and RESPECTFUL way gave a logical arguement so instead of taking up bandwith but posting trash about he is a cry baby this or whatever nonsense you are using trying saying something productive and above a first grade level and lets keep a "FRIENDLY" discussion going.
 
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deebee53 said:
Different tournaments have different qualifications/restrictions. What does the restrictions of one have anything to do with another?

Your argument is the same as this:

Your Ford car should not be allowed in a national car show (which does not have Brand restrictions) because there is a National Corvette Show every year.


Your argument tries to force a connection between two independent events that just does not exist.
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To elaborate on your logic here I stated a tournament such as the world pool masters a title directed at all pool players both men and women should be able to compete, now the us open is a tournament that has both a male and female event so whats good for one should be good for the other. And by your car logic your almost saying that a mustang should be allowed into a corvette show but the corvettes shouldn't be allowed into the mustang event...Care to elaborate further???

Also to you Sarah I wish you the best of luck in both the us open 9 ball and 10 ball I wish I would be there to see you play personally.
 
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