World 10-ball

[jsp]

They've always been call-shot so what's the deal? I've never played 'biker-bar anything counts' 8ball.

You're using the 'appeal to legacy' argument, which isn't much of an argument.

The only real argument against call shot (other than luck makes the game more exciting) is that it penalizes two-way shots in which the shooter can possibly pocket two or more object balls (shooter is forced to call only one ball to remain at the table). If that is the main argument against call shot, then why can't that same argument be applied to straight pool and 8-ball to make the games less 'nitty'? Surely there are many opportunities for two-way shots in those games.

 

[jsp]

I have zero data to back this up, but if you ask the top 50 rotation players in the world if they prefer 10-ball with call shot or not, I believe the vast majority of those top players would favor call shot. Simply because luck favors the weaker player. IOW, if you are a stronger player playing against a weaker player, your chances of losing goes up as the luck factor goes up.

 

[sjm]

I have zero data to back this up, but if you ask the top 50 rotation players in the world if they prefer 10-ball with call shot or not, I believe the vast majority of those top players would favor call shot. Simply because luck favors the weaker player. IOW, if you are a stronger player playing against a weaker player, your chances of losing goes up as the luck factor goes up.

If you asked a marketing concern whether what the players want is more important than what those who purchase the professional pool product want, 0% of them would say that what the players want matters the most.

Making the product as marketable as possible is the only thing that will maximize the revenue that pool generates, and that's the only path to prize money growth and greater income for the players. Let them play any game they like when they're gambling, but when they play for an audience, let them play something simple like nine-ball or snooker.

Thankfully, Matchroom, pool's greatest powerbroker and greatest innovator, understands this.

 

[garczar]

I have zero data to back this up, but if you ask the top 50 rotation players in the world if they prefer 10-ball with call shot or not, I believe the vast majority of those top players would favor call shot. Simply because luck favors the weaker player. IOW, if you are a stronger player playing against a weaker player, your chances of losing goes up as the luck factor goes up.

The most successful 10b event in history, DCC's Bigfoot, uses 9ball rules. The players love it. I've yet to hear one complain. I don't mind call shot in fact its how we play here locally BUT not 10b last. Most of the Filipino matches i watch are played same way.

 

[garczar]

I have zero data to back this up, but if you ask the top 50 rotation players in the world if they prefer 10-ball with call shot or not, I believe the vast majority of those top players would favor call shot. Simply because luck favors the weaker player. IOW, if you are a stronger player playing against a weaker player, your chances of losing goes up as the luck factor goes up.

Yep, zero data is right. I don't think a 'vast' majority would vote for call shot. My take, nothing more.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Shane down 6-3

The big difference so far seems to be Martin is playing pool while Shane is playing pocket pool.

 

[leto1776]

The most successful 10b event in history, DCC's Bigfoot,

Out of curiosity, what metrics is this statement based on?

 

[garczar]

Out of curiosity, what metrics is this statement based on?

None. Just been following the game for 40yrs and the Bigfoot is easily the most well known 10b title there is.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Shane escapes with an ugly win 8-7

 

[Positively Ralf]

Is the derby 10b event considered the best because it's express rules or is it because it's on a ten foot table?

 

[8cree]

That was eventful... Mika got loud after what seemed like a shark move by DeLuna... not sure which one was worse

 

[Taxi]

DeLuna just pulled the shark of the year on Mika. Mika clearly called a gimme 5-9 in the side, but DeLuna tried to claim he hadn't called it. After the ref saw the tape and confirmed that he had indeed called it, DeLuna keeps up with the bullshit. Mika runs out the rack and wins it 8-6.

 

[JusticeNJ]

Mika just kinda lost it there, mentally.

 

[BasementDweller]

DeLuna just pulled the shark of the year on Mika. Mika clearly called a gimme 5-9 in the side, but DeLuna tried to claim he hadn't called it. After the ref saw the tape and confirmed that he had indeed called it, DeLuna keeps up with the bullshit. Mika runs out the rack and wins it 8-6.

I would have applauded the ref if after reviewing the tape, he awarded the rack to Mika since it was an obvious, desperate shark attempt.

Mika should have at least shook the refs hand on the way out, but Mika is going to Mika I suppose.

 

[geoff_182]

DeLuna just pulled the shark of the year on Mika. Mika clearly called a gimme 5-9 in the side, but DeLuna tried to claim he hadn't called it. After the ref saw the tape and confirmed that he had indeed called it, DeLuna keeps up with the bullshit. Mika runs out the rack and wins it 8-6.

It was the ref that claimed he didn't called it, not De Luna

 

[JusticeNJ]

It was the ref that claimed he didn't called it, not De Luna

Was it? When the ref gave the call to Mika, Mika lost it DeLuna. Starting shouting at him.

 

[hasu]

You couldn't see from the broadcast angle whether or not the ref called a foul. But the fact that they went to the tape tells me that the ref didn't hear Mika call it, and therefore most likely did call a foul. Otherwise, why go to the tape? Just because DeLuna said something? It's possible, but it would be odd.

 

[JusticeNJ]

Here's the video and timestamp. It looks like the ref called foul and DeLuna got up in reaction to it.

J. De Luna vs M. Immonen ▸ Predator WPA Men's World 10-Ball Championship 2023

🌎Predator WPA Men’s World 10-Ball Championship 2023February 28 - March 4, 2023Rio All Suites Hotel and Casino, Las Vegas, NV▸ Table 1 and 2 FREE on YouTube ...

www.youtube.com

 

[Cornerman]

They've always been call-shot so what's the deal? I've never played 'biker-bar anything counts' 8ball. Chinese 8b does allows flukes but on tight-ass snooker pockets it doesn't happen much.

Just a nit to pick. 8-ball was not always call shot and was played at the professional level as a non-call shot when I first started playing. APA is non-call shot because when the professionals who started the APA, they mostly used what they were used to playing.

 

[geoff_182]

Was it? When the ref gave the call to Mika, Mika lost it DeLuna. Starting shouting at him.

Watch the replay. DeLuna doesn't stand up until after Mika has turned shouting "I called 9 ball" to the ref.

Of course, DeLune didn't try to "overturn" the refs decision. The ref was just doing his job. And as a player, DeLuna should know that shot is obvious.