WORLD POOL CHAMPIONSHIP (6-10 June2021) Champion $50K

BlueRaider

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Shane is playing the best game of his life yet he didn't make past the 16th round, this goes to show you that what I've been saying for yrs is true. This game is mostly about randomness and rolls.

It doesn't matter if you're at a skill of 10/10 or 9.5/10 or even 8/10 - an 8/10 can beat the 10/10 player if things go well, I don't want to use the letter for grading players because I don't want to get into the dilemma of AAA++ and A,B,C like the other thread. All I am saying here that if levels of players are at pro level or almost-like-pro, its a tossup depending on rolls with the player himself or rolls against his opponent.

Ill repeat, Shane is playing flawlessly and he was beat by a decent player but not his level also not to mention his tilted awkward head and stance (His opponent), I didn't watch the match but properly everything went with that player and most things went against Shane, anyway the game is mostly about randomness of what happens in the set itself.

Lets not start on long races, thanks.
Randomness and rolls don't tell the entire story. Look at recent winners of this event in particular. All 800+ Fargo Rate.

Gorst: 818
Filler: 826
Biado: 812
Ouschan: 806
Ko Pin Yi: 818
Niels: 812

The runner-ups were also 800+.

Chang: 822
Biado: 812
Garcia: 800
SVB (twice): 828

Of course, given the remaining field, we are likely to see a sub-800 winner for the first time in a long time (no idea what Thorsten or Darren's Fargos were when they won in 2013 and 2012).

It seems that being 800+ skill level is the best way to ensure you at least get a fair shake at taking home the title, but it's no guarantee.
 

skogstokig

AzB Silver Member
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Shane is playing the best game of his life yet he didn't make past the 16th round, this goes to show you that what I've been saying for yrs is true. This game is mostly about randomness and rolls.

It doesn't matter if you're at a skill of 10/10 or 9.5/10 or even 8/10 - an 8/10 can beat the 10/10 player if things go well, I don't want to use the letter for grading players because I don't want to get into the dilemma of AAA++ and A,B,C like the other thread. All I am saying here that if levels of players are at pro level or almost-like-pro, its a tossup depending on rolls with the player himself or rolls against his opponent.

Ill repeat, Shane is playing flawlessly and he was beat by a decent player but not his level also not to mention his tilted awkward head and stance (His opponent), I didn't watch the match but properly everything went with that player and most things went against Shane, anyway the game is mostly about randomness of what happens in the set itself.

Lets not start on long races, thanks.

his stance looked good to me.
 

sjm

Sweating it at Derby City
Silver Member
I think how rock solid the Taiwanese play, they would've dominated this event. Too bad they couldn't participate.
I'm inclined to disagree. In the last sixteen, to be successful, you need to know how to grind and win the racks that have to be fought for. Nobody does it like the Filipinos, and if the stars of the Philippines had been here and in form, I strongly believe that one of them would have snapped off this event.
 

sjm

Sweating it at Derby City
Silver Member
11-1 the kid on the last 12 racks -That's not luck!
Of course it isn't luck. Shane said he didn't play well in the post-match interview. Yes, it's AZB, so the countless Shane apologists are sure to come out in droves to make the usual excuses for him (bad luck, format didn't suit him, wrong break rules, nine ball is mostly luck, etc.), but credit to Shane for holding himself fully accountable. He got outplayed, and that can happen. In the way he handled himself, he showed how a champion conducts himself in defeat.
 

skogstokig

AzB Silver Member
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I only saw the very end of the match. The first one I've watched from this event. In the first rack the kid totally missed the seven ball and it went in anyway. My thought was these are great tables for beginners! I couldn't tell which ball was which, so call me old school. They are slowly snookerizing pool. Soon we will see smaller balls and a larger table. Genius! ;)

"they" are predator, providing both the tables and the balls. i'm not a fan of all their products, but they are putting money into the sport when few others do, so kudos to them. the tables on the WPM some week ago was much tighter
 
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BRussell

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They just announced that Shane would be the vice captain of the US Mosconi Cup team. It wasn’t clear if he‘d be a playing vice-captain, but in recent years the vice captain did not play.

Edit: They did clarify that he would be a playing vice-captain. Basically they just fired Joey Gray and gave SVB an automatic spot on the team.
 
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PoolBum

Ace in the side.
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Shane lost his focus when he missed that 5 ball and he never regained it. When the break started working for Szolnoki and he got a couple of rolls it really settled him down. I thought his analysis of the match afterward was spot on.
 

gxman

AzB Silver Member
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Anyone in the US with these Predator tables? I haven't been following pool as closely the last half yr
 

Scrunge19

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They just announced that Shane would be the vice captain of the US Mosconi Cup team. It wasn’t clear if he‘d be a playing vice-captain, but in recent years the vice captain did not play.
With how things are looking for the future of Team USA in the mosconi cup, I’m not sure I’d want to be part of the group responsible for that team’s performance. Hell, they got beat so bad in 2020 that Chris Robinson had to change his name.
 

spartan

AzB Silver Member
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For sure this is first time in this event's history that there is no top tier elite player in quarterfinals :LOL:

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Nostroke

AzB Silver Member
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Of course it isn't luck. Shane said he didn't play well in the post-match interview. Yes, it's AZB, so the countless Shane apologists are sure to come out in droves to make the usual excuses for him (bad luck, format didn't suit him, wrong break rules, nine ball is mostly luck, etc.), but credit to Shane for holding himself fully accountable. He got outplayed, and that can happen. In the way he handled himself, he showed how a champion conducts himself in defeat.
Yes for sure- On the Youtube stream half the folks sounded like Earl complaining about the luck of his opponents while losing 9-5.
 

BeiberLvr

AzB Silver Member
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Some stats on the Shane and Oliver match

Missed Shots (not including jump shots)
Shane missed 8 shots and left Oliver a shot on 5 of those misses.
Oliver missed 7 shots leaving Shane a shot on 3 of the misses and fluking a ball on 2 of them.

Safety Shots (not including kick safes)
Shane played 8 safeties (7 good and 1 bad)
Oliver played 13 safeties (7 good and 6 bad)

Positional Errors
Shane had 0
Oliver had 2
 

skogstokig

AzB Silver Member
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With how things are looking for the future of Team USA in the mosconi cup, I’m not sure I’d want to be part of the group responsible for that team’s performance. Hell, they got beat so bad in 2020 that Chris Robinson had to change his name.

what's his name now?
 

sjm

Sweating it at Derby City
Silver Member
I only saw the very end of the match. The first one I've watched from this event. In the first rack the kid totally missed the seven ball and it went in anyway. My thought was these are great tables for beginners! I couldn't tell which ball was which, so call me old school. They are slowly snookerizing pool. Soon we will see smaller balls and a larger table. Genius! ;)
As usual, Jay, you are correct. Matchroom set the tables up too easy for a World Championship, and it has helped the chances of some of the less elite. How obvious is this? Check it out:

World Pool Masters (tight pockets)
The final four (Fargo in parentheses) were Kazakis (802) SVB (828) Filler (827) Kaci (815), with an average Fargo of 818. Now that's elite and the cream rose to the top.

World Championship (pockets loosened by 1/4")
Only two of the last eight have Fargo rates that put them among the best 35 players in the world and nobody is above 811.

Matchroom got burned a little with the equipment change.
 

PoolBum

Ace in the side.
Silver Member
Some stats on the Shane and Oliver match

Missed Shots (not including jump shots)
Shane missed 8 shots and left Oliver a shot on 5 of those misses.
Oliver missed 7 shots leaving Shane a shot on 3 of the misses and fluking a ball on 2 of them.

Safety Shots (not including kick safes)
Shane played 8 safeties (7 good and 1 bad)
Oliver played 13 safeties (7 good and 6 bad)

Positional Errors
Shane had 0
Oliver had 2
Pool is a faithless and fickle game.
 

jasonlaus

Rep for Smorg
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As usual, Jay, you are correct. Matchroom set the tables up too easy for a World Championship, and it has helped the chances of some of the less elite. How obvious is this? Check it out:

World Pool Masters (tight pockets)
The final four (Fargo in parentheses) were Kazakis (802) SVB (828) Filler (827) Kaci (815), with an average Fargo of 818. Now that's elite and the cream rose to the top.

World Championship (pockets loosened by 1/4")
Only two of the last eight have Fargo rates that put them among the best 35 players in the world and nobody is above 811.

Matchroom got burned a little with the equipment change.
Don't think it had anything to do with it, the top players just played bad.
 
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