Would This Make You Angry?

Last Two,
I was a tournament director for over two years in a weekly tournament. Quite frequently I had players wanting to get in after the draw was done. Personally, I think an entire re-draw is in order (especially since the draw tends to determine the outcome of the tourney). But I would ask the players affected (the ones with byes) and I would only randomly draw in the late player in those spots if EVERYONE agreed. Once in a while, someone wouldn't agree, and the late player just had to learn a lesson on being on time...

Yes, I think you got a raw deal and I think it was the TD's responsiblity to take the heat. Believe me, TDs do get a lot of whining and crap that's uncaled for, but in my mind, this is a legitimate beef you have.
 
When the draw starts, so does the tournament.

NO LATE entries. If you don't show up like everyone else, and don't call, YOU ARE NOT IN. IF playing in this tournament is so important to you, then show up on time. Otherwise... there is always next time.

No EXCEPTIONS.

If you call and still don't show up in time for your match, YOU turn into a BYE after the standard 15 minute wait time.

And I remember!

I have some players that call on a regular basis just to remind me that they will be playing and they still get there before the the tournament starts.

Nice buch of players in Sacramento. I must be lucky.
 
classiccues said:
Whats good enough is if the guy leaves after the match then this guy should take his spot. He originally had the bye and then should get it back. If he needs to bitch to the TD then he should do it. The player that left should not be allowed back in the tourney at all, ever again. Its idiots like this TD, and the incoming player, that ruin tourneys for the dedicated people who actually do care.
As a TD if you aren't in my tourney at the allotted time then you ain't in. This not only affects the tourney, but the calcutta as well. If a player calls in, and he doesn't show and in my opinion it was detrimental to the outcome of the tourney and the calcutta, then he is suspended for x amount of weeks.

Joe
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Couldn't have said it better.:cool:
 
JPB said:
No, you entered a tournament and got beat. You were out. What happened after you were out is none of your business. If I were the TD I would not let the guy in late in the future based on his withdrawal because it does smack of bad sportsmanship. I'd gladly let him in if he were on time though. The quitter paid his fee and provided dead money to the tournament so he gave profit to the winners. You weren't good enough to beat him. So stop sniveling. Because you are sniveling and whining. You weren't good enough to win the tournament. That is the only thing you can take away from the experience.
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You got a point there, no offense taken. I am not trying to whine on this board, I was just venting, and all opinions are appreciated :D
 
By the way, I don't play bad, I've won the tournament before, but when a guy kicks a safety in and runs a 4 pack early in the match, it's tough to hang in there.
 
That's pretty common around here too. If the tournament is not filled then the open slots can be filled by late commers. They just draw for the byes. Had that happen to me a few times. Get a nice draw, with a start against my favorite opponent, Mr Bye, and in walks Big John. And no matter how many byes there are he always picks mine. LOL

Would you be as upset if he stayed for his next match and lost that one and then left?

But then it sounds like in your case it is a major tournament, with a big payout, and maybe then the TD should close the tournament once the brackets are drawn.

Of course after the brackets were drawn maybe someone called the guy and told him to get down there because he would have an easy draw.

Jake
 
LastTwo said:
By the way, I don't play bad, I've won the tournament before, but when a guy kicks a safety in and runs a 4 pack early in the match, it's tough to hang in there.
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Didn't mean to imply anything about your playing ability overall. You weren't good enough that day. Perhaps it would have taken a superhuman performance. Whether you are good or bad doesn't really matter here. You lost. When I said that's all you can take from it, I meant it. You lost. BFD. If our self worth depended on our pool victories, most of us, myself included, would be worth dried bat guano. Doesn't sound like you are a pro. It just doesn't matter much. Now your attitude about what happened could affect your performance in other ways in the future. Maybe not. But examine your emotions concerning this and see if there is something you can learn to make yourself either a tougher competitor, or at least a happier player.
 
hondo said:
JPB, are you any relation to Dear Abbie?
You sure as hell sound like her.
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Yes, I am in fact dear abby. And I do know it all FWIW. Really.
 
If there were 33 players in the tournament, and he was last in, there would not have been any byes before he got in. He would have created 15 byes by the bracket going from a 32 player to 64 player bracket tournament...
 
Last Two,

Where was this tournament? Please don't tell me it was in the city of Orange. Let me share my experience and see if it would make others angry.

Tourney #1, TD rated me an A- level. I draw an 3A player. He pretty much gives me the entire match on a silver platter, for example, he breaks and runs everything out but hangs the 9 ball in the pocket (he did this twice). TD bumps my rating to A+ for my next match even though the most balls I ran during the match was probably 3. I then sit around for 2+ hours waiting for my next match. During these 2 hours I notice my next opponent is allowed a 30-45 dinner break! I ask TD when my next match is, he says wait until the guy finishes his dinner. WTF?! I go on to lose this match because my head is not in it. I was mad that I had to wait for someone to eat his dinner before continuing with the tournament. BTW, that opponent was ranked an A- but played much better than the 3A. I guess the midway re-fueling brought his game up.

Tourney #2, Surprisingly one week later, I am ranked back to A-. No worries though, I'd rather be ranked lower for the bigger handicaps. I again beat a 3A player. I then had to play the winner of a 3A player and his girlfriend. Well, this match took about 2 hours. First off, the 3A player was definitely being nice to his significant other by not running out more than 2 balls at a time and offering coaching tips during each shot and after every game. He even took a 15-20 minute call on his cell. I complain to the couple and the TD. But, since I am not a "regular", they look at me (the girl even makes a rude comment to me) like I'm crazy and tell me to hold my horses. Fine. I get to play the guy but of course my mind is not into it because of the wait and treatment I received.

Time is a factor for me. I wake up early to get to work and I don't get out much to play. If my second match starts at 11-12 p.m., I don't want to win it in fear of I might be there until 2 a.m. for my 3rd match.

Should a single elimination tournament with less than 32 players and plenty of tables to play on take this long, a match (race to 7) every 2 hours?

The pidgeon.
 
classiccues said:
"Shi*t happens" and "oh well" are not good enough in this situation. The whole incident in a microcasm is whats wrong with pool in the first place...Joe
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I agree, especially with the latter sentence.

Being a good player doesn't entitle him to treat you or the tournament like that. Next time I saw that guy, I'd tell him where he was wrong.
 
Well if i were u guys,i would just ignore whoever that he or she is and give my best on the table.I may not have experience in joining tournaments and all that but i host some online pool tourney and as a TD,this kinda shit happens.So when they come complaining to me,i would just tell them to give their best shot and make me proud.

About Pidgeon i think if that couple could have a dinner break,why not u have ur own break too.Yeah i know,not being regular in a certain place is kinda hard.But remember,the regulars were once like u too.So get your freak on,and show them wat u got :D
 
I guess the real question you have to ask yourself is, are you there to play pool or hope for a Bye.

In weekly events I actually don't like to draw Byes. I would rather play than sit.

Typically around here if there are open bye spots that can be filled in, the tournament directore will fill it in until the first round is done or the byes fill up the bracket. Re-draw is not an option.....(but get as much money in the pot as you can...especially since the TD usually get $$ per players in the field)

The only time I would not allow this to happen is if there were a calcutta. An added player might have had an effect on the bidding. Side pots open a similar issue as some players wont get in the side pot if (X) player(s) is in the field.

The other question (that only you need to know the answer too) is would it have been such a big deal if the guy that bought in late was a sucker that you knew you would drill anyway.

The way I see it is let them in, but if 15 guys show up on time and the board is drawn to a 16 player field, and a player shows up 1 minute late, let him in to fill the bracket...but if you show up 1 minute 15 seconds late (right after the guy that was 1 minute late), you are now SOL....(chance you take showing up late)
 
I think we have a new record for the oldest post to be resurrected. This thread is from 2003 !

Dave
 
DaveK said:
I think we have a new record for the oldest post to be resurrected. This thread is from 2003 !

Dave
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LOL...I did not notice that...

I wonder if he is still angry?????:eek: :rolleyes: :D
 
DaveK said:
I think we have a new record for the oldest post to be resurrected. This thread is from 2003 !

Dave
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LOLz...I just noticed that myself...in this situation I would have demanded that I be put back in the tourney with the same bye to begin with...more so just to tell the TD that it was a bunch of sh*t that he quits after beating you.....
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Tom In Cincy said:
When the draw starts, so does the tournament.

NO LATE entries. If you don't show up like everyone else, and don't call, YOU ARE NOT IN. IF playing in this tournament is so important to you, then show up on time. Otherwise... there is always next time.

No EXCEPTIONS.

If you call and still don't show up in time for your match, YOU turn into a BYE after the standard 15 minute wait time.

And I remember!

I have some players that call on a regular basis just to remind me that they will be playing and they still get there before the the tournament starts.

Nice buch of players in Sacramento. I must be lucky.
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Tom I've done exactly the same thing in Puerto Rico. I no longer get those sad stories about flat tires, car problems, traffic jams, or that they are 5 minutes away when they are still at home.

If they are not at the site by draw time, they are out of the tournament. No player gets into the draw unless their entry fee is paid; therefore, if they call and have a friend at the site, I will put them in the draw if his friend pays the entry fee. That way I know the exact amount of players and which tournament sheet I will use.

We dont have problems now with players not showing up and wasting our time. Although we have taken somewhat drastic measures, we now finished earlier and go home at a decent time.

We do our tournaments at 4 sites, two of those sites are 2 1/2 hrs away from my home. The other 2 are about an hour away. We have cut our tournaments to only 2 per month, with at least one weekend off between tournaments. Now we have 2 or 3 weekends per month to do other things with our family. Everyone is a little happier nowadays...
 
I think 20 lashes with a wet noodle is in order for not only the guy that whined and got into the tournament late but also the guy that plucked this out of the archive after 3 years.:D
 
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