Would you call this great condition?

[cuesblues]

It's sad that we have to see this eBay bottomfeeding crap here on AZ Billiards, but I guess there's nothing else going on.

This would have lasted about 5-minutes on a Facebook forum.
The majority of my stuff is selling on Facebook anymore, and it's obvious what lack of moderation can do to a good forum.

 

[Poolhall60561]

400 post on this one and still no winner

 

[KRJ]

400 post on this one and still no winner

Well, with over 10K views for this thread, sometimes there doesn't have to be a "winner", as most times there is only a loser. Nobody will remember the OP's name in a month. The seller, yeah, folks might not forget that one.

That is why customer service is important in this day and age. Oh, you can't go above and beyond every time, but when the seller describes the cue inaccurately, to which he admitted, that is the time to go above and beyond. And find out what it will take to make this customer happy. Asking for $100 was not unreasonable. Yeah, probably can be fixed for less, so make him the offer to pay $50 or $75 and close this one out.

Valuable lesson for the seller, look at the cue before you sell it.

 

[KRJ]

I. I suggest you seek help Jeff. And far as you are concerned RJ-chalksalesman,
I got a good giggle out of your math skills saying that about half agree with this goofball scammer. Not even close. I will not waste another second of my time on this rubbish.

That's Chalk Tzar to you. Yes, more great customer service telling the buyer to get mental help and he's a goofball scammer? He turned down my offer of $75 to fix the cue that you LIED about, who is he the scammer in all of this?? I believe the customer was right in this that I put my money where my mouth is. You, your just flapping your gums cause your buddies are telling you exactly what you want to hear. But, you're getting dragged through the mud, not your buddies.

The OP didn't want my money, so how is he scamming? And were you not the one that LIED about he condition of the cue. Oh, right your 20 years in the business, and you missed the damage when you took the cue on trade or bought it, whatever, and then missed it against when you took pictures of it to sell on Ebay. Sure, that's almost believable, I tended to give you the benefit of the doubt before, but it appears you just flat out lied to increase the bidding on the cue. Are times that tough? Kind of sad.

I'd bet a lot of money the cue would get less than what the buyer got it for had it been described accurately, but then you already knew that, didn't you?

 

[bowiebill]

It's sad that we have to see this eBay bottomfeeding crap here on AZ Billiards, but I guess there's nothing else going on.

This would have lasted about 5-minutes on a Facebook forum.
The majority of my stuff is selling on Facebook anymore, and it's obvious what lack of moderation can do to a good forum.

I’m sorry you feel that way. Other than one guy who creeped me out a little bit asking for info about my boy, I’ve felt this has been a good discussion with mostly fair opinions from everyone.

In my opinion, azbilliards is the best place on the internet for billiards related discussion of any kind.

 

[poolguy4u]

It's sad that we have to see this eBay bottomfeeding crap here on AZ Billiards, but I guess there's nothing else going on.

This would have lasted about 5-minutes on a Facebook forum.
The majority of my stuff is selling on Facebook anymore, and it's obvious what lack of moderation can do to a good forum.

:boring2:



Huh? Five minutes on facebook? Heck it might still be going on on two different forums with over 50 comments just from the buyer.

He just goes on and on...never ending crying.


A lot of same sellers on AZ, Facebook, and Ebay. It's all the same.










.

 

[Celophanewrap]

I’m sorry you feel that way. Other than one guy who creeped me out a little bit asking for info about my boy, I’ve felt this has been a good discussion with mostly fair opinions from everyone.

In my opinion, azbilliards is the best place on the internet for billiards related discussion of any kind.

In your opinion? You don’t suppose other people might think something else, do you?

$300, eh? Is that also your opinion? Others might think that’s an out-right lie, an attempt to scam someone else?
What do you think?

 

[KRJ]

You did just that, as shown in your own screenshots of eBay messages to the seller. You threatened to leave negative feedback if he didn't agree to your proposal.

You demanded $100 for what has now turned-out to be a $20 repair.

Really, what reputable cue maker is going to charge only $20 to fix this. They charge $20 just to install a tip. C'mon, use facts not emotional responses to try and score points. Yeah, if they sell sold me a cue with an inaccurate description, yeah, that is one of my options. Next time, list it right, or DO NOT LIST IT> Pretty simple really.

 

[Type79]

Really, what reputable cue maker is going to charge only $20 to fix this. They charge $20 just to install a tip. C'mon, use facts not emotional responses to try and score points. Yeah, if they sell sold me a cue with an inaccurate description, yeah, that is one of my options. Next time, list it right, or DO NOT LIST IT> Pretty simple really.

Per the buyer's own post, Phillippi is charging $60 to refinish the butt sleeve and rewrap the cue. The standard charge to rewrap a cue is $40. $60 minus $40 = $20.

All of this drama is over pocket change.

 

[runscott]

These threads are always very popular as we love to torch people, but Greg is fair and honest. I have personally was on the receiving side of a deal 15 years ago where Greg missed something that left money on the table for him. My thought at the time was that he asked a price that made money for him and he was in a hurry, so lucky me. I have done other deals with him since then - they were always quick and pleasant.

Reading some of the comments here, I guess he purposely hid something from me that cost him money. Keep being evil, Greg - it is much appreciated.

 

[ribdoner]

My takeaway is divergent than that of our resident chalk czar.

The seller, GREG HOWARD, will be remembered by the majority of those who perused this thread as overlooking a cosmetic imperfection in the butt sleeve of a cue which is a $20 to $30 repair, taking responsibility for his oversight and going above and beyond EBAY (selling venue) guide lines by offering a full refund in addition to paying mailing/shipping charges attendant to returning the cue. Greg has 3000+- positive transactions (100% history) combining EBAY and AZB history. EBAY guidelines are that the BUYER is responsible for shipping fees in the event of a dispute which isn't resolved.

The buyer, JEFF DELEAR (?), will be remembered as declining GREG'S offer to return the cue and then asking him for $100 to repair the cosmetic imperfection. An impasse resulted when GREG declined this option, JEFF advised GREG that he was giving him negative feedback, later removed by EBAY because it was deemed without merit in view of the option GREG gave JEFF to return the cue. JEFF has 100 +- transactions combining AZ and EBAY with one hiccup for overstating the condition of an item he sold.

FACTS, no unproven accusations of lying, nefarious activity, or other hyperbole based on supernatural powers of clairvoyance.

 

[KRJ]

Per the buyer's own post, Phillippi is charging $60 to refinish the butt sleeve and rewrap the cue. The standard charge to rewrap a cue is $40. $60 minus $40 = $20.

All of this drama is over pocket change.

And thus, it could have been settled quite easily. If only Howard had told the truth, he could have avoided all this bad press. Of course, he would have sold the cue for a lot less money. So, in essence one person lied and the other did not. Glad we got that straightened out.

 

[KRJ]

FACTS, no unproven accusations of lying, nefarious activity, or other hyperbole based on supernatural powers of clairvoyance.

Facts: One person misrepresented the cue, the other person did not. Did he over state the cost to repair? HOw does he know how much it's gonna cost to fix that. Most cue makers are NOT fixing the finish for $20. Phillipi is stepping up to the plate to be a good guy, so props to him. If i bring my cue to my local cue maker, not going to cost $20 to fix that, no way, no chance.

And even so, for $20 he could have avoided this. Are you kidding me? I was willing to pay $75 and I had nothing to do with this. This clown could not come up with a double saw buck ? LOL Great guys don't Fck around for stuff over a couple of bucks, but he knew he could make the repair himself, and sell for $200 -
$400 more. Yeah, that's terrific

 

[bowiebill]

Per the buyer's own post, Phillippi is charging $60 to refinish the butt sleeve and rewrap the cue. The standard charge to rewrap a cue is $40. $60 minus $40 = $20.

All of this drama is over pocket change.

Pocket change. Exactly.

I’ve said from the beginning this wasn’t about money.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

And thus, it could have been settled quite easily. If only Howard had told the truth, he could have avoided all this bad press. Of course, he would have sold the cue for a lot less money. So, in essence one person lied and the other did not. Glad we got that straightened out.

RJ;

you know I like you but cmon man. It's obv that you are pissed at Greg for his chalk salesman comments and lord knows you enjoy debating but I think it's become clear (about 20 pages ago for most) that the op overreacted to what no one will be able to prove (but they keep saying was) an attempt at dishonesty. You know, the liar and crook narrative.

Greg messed up, the op had some extra emotion because it was a gift for his son, and he took a guy's hard earned rep and tried to trash it.

Over freaking reaction - seriously.

There were two options:

1. send the cue back and get all of your moneyback

2. keep the cue and enjoy it

choose one and that should have been the end of the story but...

The buyer tried to *impose* a 3rd option that despite what anybody thinks, the seller was under no obligation to do.

everywhere I look there are dead horses. :speechless: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :sad:

best,
brian kc

 

[ribdoner]

Facts: One person misrepresented the cue,

he OWNED it, sheesh how many times do we have to go over this, kinda like chinese water torture or being cuffed to the table in the interrogation room for 27 hours and getting pummeled by theories, assumptions, suppositions, etc



the other person did not.

the image in the EBAY add is fact



Did he over state the cost to repair? HOw does he know how much it's gonna cost to fix that.

This got out of hand because the BUYER didn't do his homework and come up with a realistic estimate

Most cue makers are NOT fixing the finish for $20.

YUP, Scott Erwin quoted $30

Phillipi is stepping up to the plate to be a good guy, so props to him.

Based on his relationship with GREG he might have....nope i'm not going there

If i bring my cue to my local cue maker, not going to cost $20 to fix that, no way, no chance.

Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder why

And even so, for $20 he could have avoided this.

i'll SPECULATE that JEFF pissed GREG off and GREG took his position based on principle


Are you kidding me? I was willing to pay $75 and I had nothing to do with this.

Your a good guy


This clown could not come up with a double saw buck ? LOL

You and GREG don't live very far apart and if you met him you'd like him, you have many mutual interests

Great guys don't Fck around for stuff over a couple of bucks, but he knew he could make the repair himself, and sell for $200 -
$400 more. Yeah, that's terrific

SHIT!!! i offered him a dime more (i love cues with six laminates) but try as he might he couldn't get it back

 

[KRJ]

RJ;

you know I like you but cmon man. It's obv that you are pissed at Greg for his chalk salesman comments and lord knows you enjoy debating but I think it's become clear (about 20 pages ago for most) that the op overreacted to what no one will be able to prove (but they keep saying was) an attempt at dishonesty. You know, the liar and crook narrative.

Greg messed up, the op had some extra emotion because it was a gift for his son, and he took a guy's hard earned rep and tried to trash it.

Over freaking reaction - seriously.

There were two options:

1. send the cue back and get all of your moneyback

2. keep the cue and enjoy it

choose one and that should have been the end of the story but...

The buyer tried to *impose* a 3rd option that despite what anybody thinks, the seller was under no obligation to do.

everywhere I look there are dead horses. :speechless: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :sad:

best,
brian kc

KC, lets me clear, Howard said nothing negative about my chalk. So why would I be mad ? And in fact, when he called me "chalk salesman" or whatever he said, I was playful, and said that's "Chalk Tzar" to you I don't take offense from stuff on the internet. I don't dislike Howard, but I don't like the way he did business on this one particular transaction... that's all.

Option 3 should have been on the BOARD, make the necessary repairs because he incorrectly advertised the condition. Had he advertised it honestly, I'd never have posted in this thread, or if I did, I'd be supporting Howard. I can promise you that. But he messed up, he admitted it, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.


I mean, if you mess up, you need to go the extra mile. That's how I do business and always will. That's how lots of people do business. Oh, he would have taken a hit of maybe $50 or $60 bucks. WOW. I was willing to pay for Howard but the "Scammer" would NOT take my money. But, if you want the bare minimum, nice to know Howard has your back

 

[WildWing]

Most cue makers are NOT fixing the finish for $20.

Not so fast. There are cuemakers who want their their cues looking good, even after they sell them. I go back to the early days of Tim Scruggs, when if he saw my cue had a finish he wanted to do over, he asked me, I gave it back, and he did it. Don't assume Rick P is not the same. It sounds like he is, and he would done this for free to avoid this stupid mess. The cuemakers have pride in their cues; they're not hyenas and grifters, like so many here.

All the best,
WW

 

[KRJ]

Not so fast. There are cuemakers who want their their cues looking good, even after they sell them. I go back to the early days of Tim Scruggs, when if he saw my cue had a finish he wanted to do over, he asked me, I gave it back, and he did it. Don't assume Rick P is not the same. It sounds like he is, and he would done this for free to avoid this stupid mess. The cuemakers have pride in their cues; they're not hyenas and grifters, like so many here.

All the best,
WW

I'm not talking about Phillipi, his reputation is excellent. I meant, cue makers in general usually are not going to charge as little as $20 for finish work. My guy charges $20 just to install a tip... and that's fine by me, cause I'd cut my fingers off

But, now sanding and spraying and so more sanding. Yeah, that's gotta be worth more than $20 for most cue makers doing a repair. I offered $75 cause that's what I think most guys would charge, Phillip is doing it for $60.

So, the cue is being fixed, the customer is going to be happy. Time to end the thread. I'm out.

 

[billiardthought]

Pocket change. Exactly.

I’ve said from the beginning this wasn’t about money.

It was about you coming out looking like a total POS.