Would you call this great condition?

*sigh*
Die thread .. Die.

We all now have a pretty good grasp of the personalities involved. Deal with each individually as you see fit.

Let's move on to things that actually improve the game ... or at least move on to a discussion about /HOW/ to improve some aspect of the game.
 
Man, I love this thread. What a good thread. I read every post. Some more then once. Just to reaffirm my decision to never, ever, buy anything, from anyone, on here. Anytime I see something on the for sale section, that tempts, I will revisit this thread. What total BS


There are some very good, honorable sellers and buyers here, GREG HOWARD is one of the best. I and others have sent him packages valued at multiple dimes without qualms. He does what he says, how strong is that?

Something else to consider: Greg is/was also listing his BUSHKA on the bay for 95hun, would he try to zoom somebody and risk the hit to his rep over something as OBVIOUS as that bimp in the butt sleeve. It wasn't planned and he took corrective action.


Keep watching threads and as time goes by you'll identify those that are trustworthy and those that are bozos.
 
Man, I love this thread. What a good thread. I read every post. Some more then once. Just to reaffirm my decision to never, ever, buy anything, from anyone, on here. Anytime I see something on the for sale section, that tempts, I will revisit this thread. What total BS

Just to set this straight this mishap occurred on eBay not AZ judging by your iTrader we have nothing to fear here.
 
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This issue occurred on eBay. I have never had a problem with anything I’ve sold or bought on azbilliards.
 
Just to set this straight this mishap occurred on eBay not AZ judging by your iTrader we have nothing to fear here.

You sir, are correct, no one will be hurt by missing out on my cue acquisitions. I am still shooting with the one cue I purchased about 5 years ago. I’m sure there are many members here that are easy to deal with, and just as many who are not. There have been several threads similar to this one. My post was a comment on all the screaming of rip-off and con-artist. Who would want to get caught up in all that, definitely not me.
 
Arguably. Key point.

Disappointment met with an offer of refund with shipping.

I can't argue with anybody being disappointed with any purchase for any reason. So what? Complete remedy is offered...disappointment at that point is pointless when that offer is refused.


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No, the correct remedy would have been I can refund your money or I can pay for the repair. The customer should have the choice. Otherwise, anytime someone attempts to sell anything with flaws or not described accurately, they just pull the old "return it then". Well, all that does is piss off your customer, not to mention he now has to pack it up, go to the post office, and hope they don't destroy it on the way back. And then wait for the refund which possibly could not come or might come very late. That seems lot a lot of work for someone who did NOTHING wrong.

Forget about what a great guy the seller is, and who is friends with him, etc. That does NOT matter. I'm tired of folks protecting one another because they are friends or they bought something, so they feel the need to "protect" him. I had a teammate act like a jerk a few months ago. I told him point blank, you need to stop it and go apologize to the guy on the other team. A guy I never met before, and didn't even know his name.

Did I risk my friendship? I dunno, but I just told him what he should do. He did it. Had he not, we'd still be friends, but at least I told him what he was suppose to hear, not what he wanted to hear.

Here is a real life example: Someone on AZB (I forgot who) bought chalk. But maybe they will read this. I sent them 3 boxes of green chalk. They wanted blue.

My options were:

a. buyer return my green chalk and refund them their money
b. buyer return my green chalk and I send them blue chalk. (I pay for shipping costs back to me)
c. buyer keeps the green chalk due to my error and I send them blue chalk at no cost.

Guess which one I did? Actually, it gets funnier. I did this twice to the guy. The next shipment was green again. I have one big box of green in the basement, everything else is blue chalk. So, second time I know I took it from the blue box. So, when he sent me a PM again, I thought, is this fugger scamming me, or am I that big of an idiot. So, I go down and pull a box from the blue and open it. Yep, it's green. The manufacturer threw in 25 boxes of green in this box, but I didn't know.

So, another 3 boxes go out, this time blue. Now he has 6 boxes of green, and I sent him 3 boxes of blue. So, instead of making $15, I lost like $20 adding in the extra shipping and the 6 extra boxes of chalk.

Yeah, not earth shattering losses, but it was my mistake. And that is the point of the OP. It was NOT his mistake, not at all.

Why would I chose option A or B ? Why should the customer be inconvenienced for my mistake. The seller, who sounds like a stand up guy, admits it was his mistake. So, make it good.

It matters NOT if the seller thinks the customer got a good deal or bad deal. He got the deal that was offered, a cue for X amount of dollars that was in GREAT condition. So, I would think $75 to refinish the butt is not a bad deal imho.

Just tired of the "too bad" attitude of sellers for everything, not just pool stuff. Make if right. If you can't afford the $75 to make it right, I'll pay it.
 
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R.J i have totally changed how i thought about you in the past. very good post and shows your character.
 
No, the correct remedy would have been I can refund your money or I can pay for the repair. The customer should have the choice. Otherwise, anytime someone attempts to sell anything with flaws or not described accurately, they just pull the old "return it then". Well, all that does is piss off your customer, not to mention he now has to pack it up, go to the post office, and hope they don't destroy it on the way back. And then wait for the refund which possibly could not come or might come very late. That seems lot a lot of work for someone who did NOTHING wrong.

Why should the customer be inconvenienced for my mistake. The seller, who sounds like a stand up guy, admits it was his mistake. So, make it good.

It matters NOT if the seller thinks the customer got a good deal or bad deal. He got the deal that was offered, a cue for X amount of dollars that was in GREAT condition. So, I would think $75 to refinish the butt is not a bad deal imho.

Just tired of the "too bad" attitude of sellers for everything, not just pool stuff. Make if right. If you can't afford the $75 to make it right, I'll pay it.

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And that is the difference between good and excellent customer service.
 
No, the correct remedy would have been I can refund your money or I can pay for the repair. The customer should have the choice. Otherwise, anytime someone attempts to sell anything with flaws or not described accurately, they just pull the old "retur...blah, blah, blah

Ah, BS. You are buying something used, not something new. Used means that condition will not be perfect. You buy it as-is, or you don't buy it. Due diligence is required by the buyer. If you aren't sure by the photos that the condition is good, you assume it is not until more evidence is gathered.
 
This issue occurred on eBay. I have never had a problem with anything I’ve sold or bought on azbilliards.

You are the nightmare buyer. You fit the profile of the person who always wants more and is never satisfied. You are the person who seeks a loophole, a technicality, or whatever they can to squeeze the seller.

As a seller with a feedback score of almost 6,000 and 100% rating on eBay, I can tell you that I've heard all the stories and unfounded claims.

The worst buyers are those with buyer's remorse who solicit partial refunds. In some cases it is warranted; in other cases it is not. In some cases like yours, it might be warranted but the claim is excessive.

A well respected and well-known cue maker charges $60 to refinish the butt of a cue and you claimed $170 and would settle for $100. That was unreasonable.

You even admitted that you had bid more than the final bid price, so possibly you would have been willing to acquire this cue for the final bid price plus $100.
 
You are the nightmare buyer. You fit the profile of the person who always wants more and is never satisfied. You are the person who seeks a loophole, a technicality, or whatever they can to squeeze the seller.

As a seller with a feedback score of almost 6,000 and 100% rating on eBay, I can tell you that I've heard all the stories and unfounded claims.

The worst buyers are those with buyer's remorse who solicit partial refunds. In some cases it is warranted; in other cases it is not. In some cases like yours, it might be warranted but the claim is excessive.

A well respected and well-known cue maker charges $60 to refinish the butt of a cue and you claimed $170 and would settle for $100. That was unreasonable.

You even admitted that you had bid more than the final bid price, so possibly you would have been willing to acquire this cue for the final bid price plus $100.

The big issue is, Why is he being allowed to run my name thru the mud?
 
You are the nightmare buyer. You fit the profile of the person who always wants more and is never satisfied. You are the person who seeks a loophole, a technicality, or whatever they can to squeeze the seller.

As a seller with a feedback score of almost 6,000 and 100% rating on eBay, I can tell you that I've heard all the stories and unfounded claims.

The worst buyers are those with buyer's remorse who solicit partial refunds. In some cases it is warranted; in other cases it is not. In some cases like yours, it might be warranted but the claim is excessive.

A well respected and well-known cue maker charges $60 to refinish the butt of a cue and you claimed $170 and would settle for $100. That was unreasonable.

You even admitted that you had bid more than the final bid price, so possibly you would have been willing to acquire this cue for the final bid price plus $100.

I asked Greg to pay the actual cost to repair the cue. I said i thought it wouldn’t be more than 100 at most. He claimed to know Philippi and that was who I was taking the cue to.

This was never about money. It was about dishonesty in the listing. It kills me that Greg admits there was damage to the cue and that he only offered a refund because he thought the sale price was too low, yet many here still see me as the person who is wrong.
 
Ah, BS. You are buying something used, not something new. Used means that condition will not be perfect. You buy it as-is, or you don't buy it. Due diligence is required by the buyer. If you aren't sure by the photos that the condition is good, you assume it is not until more evidence is gathered.

Ah, but it was described as GREAT condition. No mention of nicks or scratches or anything else. The seller, again who appears to be a great guy, admitted he missed the nick. Thus, he would have advertised the nick if he had noticed it. Thus, again, no mistakes on the part of the buyer. None. The seller admitted he missed it.

I assume I'm buying a cue as described. But hey, if folks expect less not more from sellers, great. I don't.
 
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And that is the difference between good and excellent customer service.

Not only shows his character but his excellent business sense. So many businesses fail to understand the importance of customer service. A business once screwed up with me and apologized profusely. I responded, no problem, we all make mistakes. What is important is how we respond to the mistake and you’re doing everything to make it right. That is what matters most to me.
 
Ah, but it was described as GREAT condition. No mention of nicks or scratches or anything else. The seller, again who appears to be a great guy, admitted he missed the nick. Thus, he would have advertised the nick if he had noticed it. Thus, again, no mistakes on the part of the buyer. None. The seller admitted he missed it.

I assume I'm buying a cue as described. But hey, if folks expect less not more from sellers, great. I don't.

'Great' is a subjective description. If it said, 'no scratches', or 'perfect finish', then I would agree with you.
 
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