Would you call this great condition?

[ribdoner]

KC, lets me clear, Howard said nothing negative about my chalk. So why would I be mad ? And in fact, when he called me "chalk salesman" or whatever he said, I was playful, and said that's "Chalk Tzar" to you I don't take offense from stuff on the internet. I don't dislike Howard, but I don't like the way he did business on this one particular transaction... that's all.

Option 3 should have been on the BOARD, make the necessary repairs because he incorrectly advertised the condition. Had he advertised it honestly, I'd never have posted in this thread, or if I did, I'd be supporting Howard. I can promise you that. But he messed up, he admitted it, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.


I mean, if you mess up, you need to go the extra mile. That's how I do business and always will. That's how lots of people do business. Oh, he would have taken a hit of maybe $50 or $60 bucks. WOW. I was willing to pay for Howard but the "Scammer" would NOT take my money. But, if you want the bare minimum, nice to know Howard has your back

We might get somewhere, GREG went beyond the extra mile but not the extra 2 like you do, which is commendable, however, what motivates you to subjugate others to your "way". Think about it...

One more point i'd like to bring up is my policy is determined by the venue i'm selling in:

AZ is a community hence I go much farther to satisfy customers than EBAY or OBM (i made one transaction, buying a cue with a shaft advertised as being a "29, 13mm shaft that was "pin straight"...i received a 30", 11.25 mm shaft. Paid with "PP GOODS"so i was made whole, sans shipping expense. There are a number of people on those sites which have been barred here so I stick to guide lines there, not so much here.

 

[ribdoner]

I'm not talking about Phillipi, his reputation is excellent. I meant, cue makers in general usually are not going to charge as little as $20 for finish work. My guy charges $20 just to install a tip... and that's fine by me, cause I'd cut my fingers off

But, now sanding and spraying and so more sanding. Yeah, that's gotta be worth more than $20 for most cue makers doing a repair. I offered $75 cause that's what I think most guys would charge, Phillip is doing it for $60.

So, the cue is being fixed, the customer is going to be happy. Time to end the thread. I'm out.

i believe it was $60 for a re-wrap and the butt sleeve repair, maybe i'm wrong

 

[cuesblues]

Not so fast. There are cuemakers who want their their cues looking good, even after they sell them. I go back to the early days of Tim Scruggs, when if he saw my cue had a finish he wanted to do over, he asked me, I gave it back, and he did it. Don't assume Rick P is not the same. It sounds like he is, and he would done this for free to avoid this stupid mess. The cuemakers have pride in their cues; they're not hyenas and grifters, like so many here.

All the best,
WW

and with all the business Greg gives Phillippi cues, he would have fixed it for free, just a little communication is all it takes, and by communication I mean sincere communication, working together...by telephone, not this text crap.

 

[cuesblues]

Really, what reputable cue maker is going to charge only $20 to fix this. They charge $20 just to install a tip. C'mon, use facts not emotional responses to try and score points. Yeah, if they sell sold me a cue with an inaccurate description, yeah, that is one of my options. Next time, list it right, or DO NOT LIST IT> Pretty simple really.

You might be surprised what "reputable cuemakers" do for people that are cool, especially when they are a good customer.
One "reputable cuemaker" who has orders till the day he dies made me a $2000 cue and only charged me $500 because it took nine years and I never got on his ass.
That is just on of many stories I can talk about, one of many in the last 15-years.
Good or bad, I keep my issues to myself except for the time I was outright scammed, and even then it took me two months to take it public.
I would never have posted on this thread had I not seen signs of the old school forum bullying that used to be common on AZ Billiards.
I thought the forum cop / forum bully thing had all but dissipated but obviously not.

 

[bowiebill]

It was about you coming out looking like a total POS.

I don’t think so but opinions vary.

 

[KRJ]

You might be surprised what "reputable cuemakers" do for people that are cool, especially when they are a good customer.
One "reputable cuemaker" who has orders till the day he dies made me a $2000 cue and only charged me $500 because it took nine years and I never got on his ass.
That is just on of many stories I can talk about, one of many in the last 15-years.
Good or bad, I keep my issues to myself except for the time I was outright scammed, and even then it took me two months to take it public.
I would never have posted on this thread had I not seen signs of the old school forum bullying that used to be common on AZ Billiards.
I thought the forum cop / forum bully thing had all but dissipated but obviously not.

Dude, don't take offense, I meant "reputable" cue maker in the terms of quality...guys that do quality are usually not dirt cheap, that's what I meant by that. Sure, the guy that only does tips might say "hey, I'll give it a shot to try and fix it".... yeah, we don't want that.

And you mention "bullying" when vile insults were directed at the OP, from scammer, to mental problems, POS, scumbag, etc. Brutal, when you think all he asked was to have his cue as advertised. That is not asking for much in my book, it really was not. But Greg has dug his heels in so hard, he was NEVER going to give in, NEVER.

 

[cuesblues]

Dude, don't take offense, I meant "reputable" cue maker in the terms of quality...guys that do quality are usually not dirt cheap, that's what I meant by that. Sure, the guy that only does tips might say "hey, I'll give it a shot to try and fix it".... yeah, we don't want that.

And you mention "bullying" when vile insults were directed at the OP, from scammer, to mental problems, POS, scumbag, etc. Brutal, when you think all he asked was to have his cue as advertised. That is not asking for much in my book, it really was not. But Greg has dug his heels in so hard, he was NEVER going to give in, NEVER.

There has been so many misunderstood comments on this thread it's unbelievable, but for the first time I don't understand what you are saying.
It seems as though you can't differentiate reputable from generous, or reputable from being a true businessman.
What does reputable have to do with this, we are talking about Rick Phillippi who has been around for quite a while with no bad press.
Although some collectors don't buy his cues, his reputation is impeccable.
In fact he is the cuemaker I refer to when talking about a good businessman.
Unlike some others Phillippi gets back to people, and until Greg and a few others iniudated him with work, the shop ran like a top.
No rep issue there, and I just remembered that Rick resprayed a cue I sent him for free.
Can't believe I forgot about that, and it was just two years ago.

 

[KRJ]

There has been so many misunderstood comments on this thread it's unbelievable, but for the first time I don't understand what you are saying.
It seems as though you can't differentiate reputable from generous, or reputable from being a true businessman.
What does reputable have to do with this, we are talking about Rick Phillippi who has been around for quite a while with no bad press.
Although some collectors don't buy his cues, his reputation is impeccable.
In fact he is the cuemaker I refer to when talking about a good businessman.
Unlike some others Phillippi gets back to people, and until Greg and a few others iniudated him with work, the shop ran like a top.
No rep issue there, and I just remembered that Rick resprayed a cue I sent him for free.
Can't believe I forgot about that, and it was just two years ago.

No, i think you are misunderstanding my term of using 'reputable" in a sentence. So, if that is the case, delete that word, and my post stands. My only point was to distinguish between actual cue makers and the "hacks" that call themselves cue makers, of which i've met a few. If no distinction needs to be made in regards to this, that is fine by me.

It had NOTHING to do with Phillipi. He's as good as they come from what I've heard. I was talking about a cue maker only charging $20 to do refinish work. Yeah, I guess it's possible if he's your buddy, or you send him a lot of work, but I'm speaking on Joe Blow walking off the street and saying can you fix this? The first word out of the cue makers mouth is not going to be $20, if it is, I don't know how they pay their bills, pay for health insurance or put a few bucks away for retirement ??

 

[cuesblues]

No, i think you are misunderstanding my term of using 'reputable" in a sentence. So, if that is the case, delete that word, and my post stands. My only point was to distinguish between actual cue makers and the "hacks" that call themselves cue makers, of which i've met a few. If no distinction needs to be made in regards to this, that is fine by me.

It had NOTHING to do with Phillipi. He's as good as they come from what I've heard. I was talking about a cue maker only charging $20 to do refinish work. Yeah, I guess it's possible if he's your buddy, or you send him a lot of work, but I'm speaking on Joe Blow walking off the street and saying can you fix this? The first word out of the cue makers mouth is not going to be $20, if it is, I don't know how they pay their bills, pay for health insurance or put a few bucks away for retirement ??

Okay then, it stands after you changed it...LOL
.
The buddy thing has nothing to do with it, you just don't know, never will, it's not your thing.

You would be surprised how many people I know, have picked up the telephone, called a cuemaker, and received things like new shafts, even new cues, when the cuemaker did not know who they were.
It's not a buddy thing, these guys just know.
They can tell you're a stroke after the first words out of your mouth, and they get stroked a lot.

In early 2007 I sent out two ebony nose John Davis blanks, one was finished two years ago, and I got the other one back this year unfinished, with some work done to it.
I sent that blank off to Paul Drexler who is already working on it.
Threads have been started lately over two day delays, I can't imagine what the forum police would do after lets say 7 or 8 years.
My God it would be ugly, which is why top tier cuemakers rarely post on AZ Billiards.
Thanks

 

[gregcantrall]

I have to chuckle at RJ. That kind of refinish to the butt only is simpler than a tip install for a person with the proper tools and skills.

 

[KRJ]

I have to chuckle at RJ. That kind of refinish to the butt only is simpler than a tip install for a person with the proper tools and skills.

So, installing a tip is "harder" than doing refinish work. Good to know. Any cue makers agree with that statement ? So, all my cues with nicks and dents, can all be patched up for under $100. Nice

 

[gregcantrall]

So, installing a tip is "harder" than doing refinish work. Good to know. Any cue makers agree with that statement ? So, all my cues with nicks and dents, can all be patched up for under $100. Nice

That kind of refinish to the butt only does not equal any or all refinish work. Now you are just being obtuse.

 

[cuesblues]

So, installing a tip is "harder" than doing refinish work. Good to know. Any cue makers agree with that statement ? So, all my cues with nicks and dents, can all be patched up for under $100. Nice

I am really surprised you are this type of person, but now I know.
Never saw this in you until now
Have a good life RJ, and thanks for perpetuating the type of behavior that keeps good people from posting on AZ Billiards.

Wowzers

 

[KRJ]

I am really surprised you are this type of person, but now I know.
Never saw this in you until now
Have a good life RJ, and thanks for perpetuating the type of behavior that keeps good people from posting on AZ Billiards.

Wowzers

So, got it now: I will stop chasing away potential AZB'ers by giving away FREE stuff, and I stop treating customers fairly, and I will stop telling the truth when I sell stuff on Ebay. GOTCHA. I only wish I had known sooner that I was the problem for AZB, and not the scammers, liars and name callers. Wheew, at least we caught that in time.

 

[KRJ]

That kind of refinish to the butt only does not equal any or all refinish work. Now you are just being obtuse.

Yes, obtuse because I don't believe good cuemakers would do this work for $20? Who is really being obtuse. You paint the whole car or just paint the fender, you gotta know what you are doing. Why are folks arguing about his now? I'm trying to give cue makers their props, they are not vagabonds working for sawbucks. Thus, they should be paid and charge the appropriate fee's for the work. That's all.

 

[Franky4Eyes]

I have a friend that refinished an 80's Joss to new condition
for $40. Forearm, and butt.
Took about 1.5 hour total as we sat around bs'ing
while waiting for the coats to dry. Wet sanded and buff time
included. It looks brand new now.
Sometimes, people are good at what they do and don't feel
the need to gouge for what really is a simple task.
Plus, it was a local repair.
He did not rewrap the cue since customer asked him not to.
So Phillipi's quote of $60 doesn't sound ridiculous.
You think he should charge the guy more to do the work???
*Yes. I do believe that refinishing that cue is a simple task
compared to installing a tip.
All he's gotta do is throw it on the lathe and sand off the
finish, then recoat it. The forearm only needs to be scuffed
and fresh coat applied. After that, it's wet sanded and
polished with buffing compound.
Refinishing doesn't require any cutting tools on a metal
jointed cue, since its probably taped off.
Wood to wood might have to be faced off for good measure.
In sincerity, they're about the same amount of labor
with the proper equipment.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

 

[KRJ]

I have a friend that refinished an 80's Joss to new condition
for $40. Forearm, and butt.
Took about 1.5 hour total as we sat around bs'ing
while waiting for the coats to dry. Wet sanded and buff time
included. It looks brand new now.
Sometimes, people are good at what they do and don't feel
the need to gouge for what really is a simple task.

Suuuuure, that seems reasonable. 1.5 hours of work for $40. Hmmmm, after taxes, that's about $30. Then health care, another $5. Yep, nothing like waking up to clear $12.50 an hour to keep you motivated. Thanks for making my point for me.

Yes, I understand that some FOLKS might charge almost nothing to do this. I'm sorry that we don't have cue makers in Chicago area that want to work for $12.50 an hour.

But, I'm also glad that we don't have folks charging almost "nothing", because they deserve to make a reasonable living, buy health care and save for retirement like the rest of us, imho.

 

[bowiebill]

The cost to fix it doesn’t even matter. As a matter of fact, the price being so low, just makes Greg look even worse.

 

[Celophanewrap]

The cost to fix it doesn’t even matter. As a matter of fact, the price being so low, just makes Greg look even worse.

To who?.......