Would YOU consider this a TAPER ROLL....or a ROLLOUT

macneilb

macneilb

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Hi guys, I'm looking at picking up a Frey sneaky and I was wondering if anyone here would consider the shaft in the video having a taper roll, or a rollout. I find it kind of hard to tell from the camera angle, but to me it looks more like a decent rollout in the middle of the shaft (especially in the last 10 seconds). The seller says it's a miniscule taper roll though. Im not really sure at this point. What's the verdict?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyuEmNfimU&feature=youtu.be
 
macneilb said:
Hi guys, I'm looking at picking up a Frey sneaky and I was wondering if anyone here would consider the shaft in the video having a taper roll, or a rollout. I find it kind of hard to tell from the camera angle, but to me it looks more like a decent rollout in the middle of the shaft (especially in the last 10 seconds). The seller says it's a miniscule taper roll though. Im not really sure at this point. What's the verdict?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyuEmNfimU&feature=youtu.be
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It's warped. Whether you want to call it major or minuscule is up to you. Whether you call it rollout or taper roll, you are still saying the same thing, it's not straight. End of story...as far as that goes.

Now the question is will it affect play? No. Never. Not for anyone. Not a chance...

...Unless it affects the player, as in: If it affects the players confidence, it will affect his play and that is the only way it will affect play.
 
what's the difference between rollout and taper roll?

BTW IMO the shaft is warped.
 
sluan said:
what's the difference between rollout and taper roll?

BTW IMO the shaft is warped.
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The difference, no matter what anyone says, is whether you are the buyer (rollout) or the seller (taper roll).

Some will try to tell you that the middle can come off the table if the tip doesn't and it isn't warped, it is just 'taper roll'.

That is BS. The tip coming off the table is only a factor of where the warp is in relation to the center of gravity.
 
Taper roll is due to uneven sanding, where the shaft takes on a slight egg shape instead of round.

A warp is a warp.
 
Never understood why people can't put their phones on horizontal view and
shoot their videos like that.
In this case it would have greatly enhanced the view.
This endless vertical mode is annoying.
Just cause it looks good on the phone doesn't mean it'll look good on all media.
 
ideologist said:
Taper roll is due to uneven sanding, where the shaft takes on a slight egg shape instead of round..
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While this is a possibility, I've never seen someone measure the 'egg' shape of a shaft when describing taper roll. Easy enough to do, but I've never seen anyone do it.

Every cue described as having a 'taper roll' I've seen is actually warped.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
While this is a possibility, I've never seen someone measure the 'egg' shape of a shaft when describing taper roll. Easy enough to do, but I've never seen anyone do it.

Every cue described as having a 'taper roll' I've seen is actually warped.
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I completely agree, just explaining where the term seems to have come from.
 
If the seller would put the shaft on the butt and hold the butt down on the table while rolling it and then shot the video of the shaft, this would help as then you could see if all stay straight through the butt, through the joint area and up through the shaft to the ferrule.

If the ferrule stays nice and flat, I would call it a little taper roll. However, when doing this, the ferrule may come off the table. It may just need a facing or it would be an obvious warp. Not to long ago, I purchased a Schon for $ 500.00 and when I rolled the cue when put together, the shaft came off the table 3/8 of an inch and the description said the shaft had a minimal raise in it. Thankfully, it was an ebay purchase and a no brainer for them to refund me.

However, trades can go south when this happens on a new cue I sell and I receive this type of situation I explained. I recently done a trade on a Jocoby with an az member and he sent me the cue ahead of time to look at. Not the common practice, but, as you can guess, the cue was straight as an arrow and I have the highest regards for the member.

If you like the cue and have concerns, there is some members here who do the transaction for you. Both of you will pay maybe $ 20.00 each, but, the cue will be checked out before your money is gone for good.
 
If it were my cue I'd grab it and play with and not let it faze me in the least bit. :cool:

The only time I would personally worry about it would be if I were selling it, at which point I would describe it as a rollout, not a taper roll.

I did some of my best playing for years with an old Huebler that quite simply flopped like a fish when rolled, however I just always made sure i had the crooked side down when playing with it.

Hippie Dave clued me in to that trick back in the early 90s when he cleaned out a local pool hall. He had a sneaky that was warped really bad, so before every shot he'd slowly rotate it until it was running up and down and not left to right. I think I remember seeing him miss a ball once. :grin-square:
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
While this is a possibility, I've never seen someone measure the 'egg' shape of a shaft when describing taper roll. Easy enough to do, but I've never seen anyone do it.



Every cue described as having a 'taper roll' I've seen is actually warped.
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Not everyone has a micrometer.


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I think many people use the term 'taper roll' to describe movement when rolled that doesn't exceed the taper of the shaft. Obviously a pro tapered shaft has more leeway than a conical in this regard. I think the problem is that, like stated before, it is possible for a used shaft to not be round, but still straight. When spun the taper will move up and down, but because it's not round. Personally I don't think it makes a difference until one end or the other starts to come off of the table, or if it can be seen from above when rolled.

Or....you can yell about it not being straight and talk the guy down $50 :grin-square:
 
I'd like to see the butt rolled too. It was looking little funny at the joint, but it could've been the lighting or lack of light. I would play with that cue like it is if I really really wanted it and got it for a good price, but I'm not in the market right now.
 
macneilb said:
Hi guys, I'm looking at picking up a Frey sneaky and I was wondering if anyone here would consider the shaft in the video having a taper roll, or a rollout. I find it kind of hard to tell from the camera angle, but to me it looks more like a decent rollout in the middle of the shaft (especially in the last 10 seconds). The seller says it's a miniscule taper roll though. Im not really sure at this point. What's the verdict?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyuEmNfimU&feature=youtu.be
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Kind of hard to tell from the camera angle.
 
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