Would you spring for a $100.00 Pool Tournament ENTREE FEE

[rackmsuckr]

The way he worded this, it sounded like there was no guarantee of any money at all, as in, the TD might take off with it.

If the TD is reputable, I would maybe pay $100 entry with no added money. Depends on the races, how deep the payout is, how far away, etc. and figure that I have a chance to get in the money.

They would have to state up front what the payouts are to some degree. For instance, based on 32 players, 1st is $1000, or at the very least, that they are paying 1/4 or 1/3 of the field.

 

[rossaroni]

Who was your stakehorse?oke: :shocked: :lol:

Why would he need a stakehorse? He drove another player to the tournament and charged him $5.00 for gas money. Plus, he sold his free drink ticket that he got for playing in the tournament. This got him another $3.50 back. They also offered a senior citizens discount of $1.00. This means the tournament really only costs him $1.50 out of his pocket, and he can afford to stake himself for this price.
On top of that, he used his head and figured out how to save even more money. If he hits the balls slow enough, he could catch them before they fell into the pockets. It is hard to put an exact dollar figure on this, but it is estimated that this saved him at least another $1.75.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

At the $25,000 added Desert Shoot-out, when most of the top players in the world were in town, CoCo could be seen peering thru the window. ( He wouldn't spring for the $20 cover chg.) He did badger them for autographs and pictures when they came outside for a break though.)

DICK STATEMENT ABOVE 100% UNTRUE!

Was that not the Event, THE $25,000 added Desert Shoot-out I read about where many of the top players in the world were STIFFED with BAD CHECKS, and are still waiting for some of their Money?

Believe the Headline in the local Pool paper read "NO PAY FOR GREAT PLAY"

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Ok, ya got me, I lied.
I also live in Canada, bar owners don't get great deals on alcohol. They purchase from the Government.
Or do you know the pool hall owners where I play better than I do?

Well sadly Bar & Restaurant owner is Arizona have to deal with Beer, and Liquor Distributor ONLY for theie Booze Supoplies who are a MONOPOLY like the Government you spoke of.

Say you want A_B Products Products,(Bud, Bud Light) and you are in the West Valley the only one you can by from is the Distributor who has the Dealership in you area.

If the local Super Market is running a SALE on Bud Light CHEAPER, as a Bar or Restaurant owner, etc. that serves Bud Light you can not go down to the Super Market, and by your supplies!

But a guy I know had a Bar with (2) pool Tables in the place, and did very WELL for 18 years. So there is money in a Bar that Run Right!

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Who was your stakehorse?oke: :shocked: :lol:

No stakehorse, it is my money.:smile:

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Pool players are being narrow minded. Show me other sports that have added money. (Not outside sponsorship.)

Mark many other AMATEUR Sports do not allow PARTICIPANTS to receive anything of VALUE as Prizes.

Like the Olympics that doesn?t even allow TOP Olympians to do commercials for monitory gain, or do commercial endorsements.

I recall doing a pictures fro a story on the father of the Great American Swimmer, Summer Sanders of Roseville, CA (Barcelona 92 Olympics), and had it not been for the father successful DENTAL Practice Summers could never have competed at Barcelona.

Story was killed when Summers under performed, ONLY WINNING, Two Gold Medals, a Silver and a Bronze, and did not CLEAN UP IN MEDALS as PROJECTED by many Swimming Experts, at the Barcelona Games.

A bar or pool hall has a LOT of expenses - and so many of the better players drink water and cokes. So that is why a lot of places cater to the mid-level players. Better players are often hard on the equipment and it costs a lot to keep good tables in good shape.

MANY BAR Cater to mid-level players because mid-level players consume Booze, and as my friend who had a very successful Bar in the Valley of the Sun with (2) Pool Tables has said many times.

He did not cater to the "A" Players, as the "A" Players did not DRINK, and he was in the BOOZE BUSINESS, mid-level players drank, and paid the bills.

Go to a bowling alley and $2 per line. And they usually take from the pot - not add.

Going rate for Bowling in the Valley is 4-5 BUCK a GAME PLUS In Public Bowling Centers. Our Community 30 Lane Bowling Alley with 30 Lanes Charges I believe $2.50/game to NON RESIDENTS

Too many players want too much. They need to go run a business for awhile and see how they like it. Enough of the 'rhetorical questions' OK???

Ran a business for almost 20 years, and business ownership is a 24 x 7 x 365 baby sitting job. Those who work for wages, and a steady pay check do not know how lucky many time they are!

Mark Griffin

 

[trina_jones26]

I dont think I would. If your paying 100.00 entry fee, at least it shouldnt charge to play on the table also. I would think that 100 woul dinclude the green fee

 

[sydbarret]

Why should you care Bruce? You wouldn't enter a tournament with a $5 entry fee, let alone one with a $100 entry. I'd say the bar owner is entitled to whatever they want...it is, afterall, THEIR bar, and their tournament. Obviously if people didn't want to play, they wouldn't show up. In your world, it would seem that no business owner should make any money at all!

You start the strangest threads of any poster here.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What I came here to post.

 

[Scott Lee]

Mark many other AMATEUR Sports do not allow PARTICIPANTS to receive anything of VALUE as Prizes.

Like the Olympics that doesn?t even allow TOP Olympians to do commercials for monitory gain, or do commercial endorsements.

Bruce...Do you even watch t.v.? Apparently you missed that tall American kid...you know, the one that won about a zillion gold medals last summer. He's been ALL OVER t.v. commercials...and making HUGE piles of money for doing them. Oh yeah...he'll be back competing again at least for one or two more Olympic Games!



Ran a business for almost 20 years, and business ownership is a 24 x 7 x 365 baby sitting job. Those who work for wages, and a steady pay check do not know how lucky many time they are!

Just curious, but was that a "nitting" parlor? :killingme: :killingme: :killingme:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[jason]

Mark many other AMATEUR Sports do not allow PARTICIPANTS to receive anything of VALUE as Prizes.

What does this have to do with AMATEUR sports?

 

[rossaroni]

I dont think I would. If your paying 100.00 entry fee, at least it shouldnt charge to play on the table also. I would think that 100 woul dinclude the green fee

If all the money is going back to the tournament, it really doesn't matter if they charge $1 or $100. If the bar pays back 100%, they make the same ammount on the tournament entry fee.

 

[gunzby]

I wouldn't do it on bar boxes, but apparently other people will and that's fine. The bar doesn't have to put up anything for a tournament....that is just a perk.

 

[gunzby]

I will say that if I owned the bar I would open up the ball returns so people wouldn't have to pay to play, but I am not the bar owner.

If I were a hall owner I would host a weekly 9 ball tourney which in my opinion would be ideal.

$25 entry fee w/ $0 green fees
Race to 7 w/Double Elimination
$5 p/player p/week goes into end of year championship
To qualify for the championship you must place in the top three once or top 5 three times over the course of the year.

I would figure in extra profits every week during the tourney from beer, drink and food sales and that would be the added in tourney.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

I suppose some of it would have to do with the venue as to the business reasons for adding money or not charging a green fee. As Gunzby just mentioned for a bar there may be business reasons to add money or provide free tables such as alcohol, beverage, and food sales.

For a pool hall, this is largely not so. I would think the benefit in this case is to bring in players during an otherwise slow period in order to generate some table revenue from the tops used in the tournament through the green fees as well as perhaps some additional revenue from tables occupied pre-tourney for warming up as well as action games and practice time for participants after they have lost or finished the tournament. But I don't believe that extra 32 guys buying a diet coke on Sunday morning is going to allow the pool hall to payout 200%. And they probably have to add to the staff to accomodate the event. Even at minimum wage there goes the soda revenue and then some.

So I agree with what Mark G. and the others have said, and certainly don't expect the venue to add money to the pot. I really don't expect them to give me free table time either. I figure they are already adding value to me just by having the tournament. They are providing me with the facilities and players for me to compete with. I guess I just tend to look at more like they are doing me a favor by holding the event rather than I'm doing them a favor by playing in it, keeping in mind it is a 100% pay-out. Also keep in mind we are talking about local tournament action, not some big time pro event where the venue is generating revenue from ticket sales, hotel rooms, and the casino in addition to the food and drink. Not to mention the T.V. revenue, God forbid!!:wink:

Whenever I play pool, I pay the proprietor for my table time. So in a tournament, if the green fee is reasonable and it is a 100% payout than as far as I'm concerned the tournament is effectively free. Whether I finish high enough to at least make back my entry has nothing to do with the site or the fairness of the arrangement. That is the risk I run.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

What does this have to do with AMATEUR sports?

Go back and read Mark Griffin pooint I comment on.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Just curious, but was that a "nitting" parlor? :killingme: :killingme: :killingme:

Scott Lee

www.poolknowledge.com

Scott your humor or lack of humor is almost as bad as the 45 minutes I wasted at you Clinic at the BCA in MAY...........By the way I hope you remember where you can buy White Hole Reninforcers......WAL-MART! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[BRKNRUN]

Ray, Scott and Mark, you have to understand, CoCo is NOT really a pool player, persay.
He is someone who lays awake nights thinking what stupid, inane thread he can start on AZB.
At the $25,000 added Desert Shoot-out, when most of the top players in the world were in town, CoCo could be seen peering thru the window. ( He wouldn't spring for the $20 cover chg.) He did badger them for autographs and pictures when they came outside for a break though.)
Please do not judge everyone in Arizona by CoCo's controversial,well thought out posts here on AZ. Most of us are normal.

Dick

PS> I know CoCo can be hard to take, but on the plus side, I don't think we have even ONE "Aiming System" thread starter in our fair state. How normal is that ?

+1 regarding SJD's comments

I just hope people realize that CoCo is NOT even close to a true representation of pool players from Arizona...(or anywhere for that matter since I don't even think he qualifies as a pool player)

What was left out of the origonal post is that these are NOT weekly events. These are/were special events specifically for each individual rating.

Only 9's could play in the first event only 8's in the second etc. The event is designed as a non-handicapp see how you match up with the best of that particular rating event.

The $100 entry is to draw the players that think they are the best in thier respected rating level......

(Unless it has changed)...The pool room/bar limited the field to 16...They only intend to draw the top 16 players from each rating level when they put on these events... (in other words...CoCo was not a player the room was hoping to draw)

I personally think they are a great idea and had I not recently been snatched up by the economy and put out of work I would have posted the $100 in a hearbeat to enter the 9s event they had.

 

[Bigtruck]

Find a location!!

I will say that if I owned the bar I would open up the ball returns so people wouldn't have to pay to play, but I am not the bar owner.

If I were a hall owner I would host a weekly 9 ball tourney which in my opinion would be ideal.

$25 entry fee w/ $0 green fees
Race to 7 w/Double Elimination
$5 p/player p/week goes into end of year championship
To qualify for the championship you must place in the top three once or top 5 three times over the course of the year.

I would figure in extra profits every week during the tourney from beer, drink and food sales and that would be the added in tourney.

Just let me know where you want the tables delivered!! LOL.

Ray

 

[BVal]

+1 regarding SJD's comments

I just hope people realize that CoCo is NOT even close to a true representation of pool players from Arizona...(or anywhere for that matter since I don't even think he qualifies as a pool player)

What was left out of the origonal post is that these are NOT weekly events. These are/were special events specifically for each individual rating.

Only 9's could play in the first event only 8's in the second etc. The event is designed as a non-handicapp see how you match up with the best of that particular rating event.

The $100 entry is to draw the players that think they are the best in thier respected rating level......

(Unless it has changed)...The pool room/bar limited the field to 16...They only intend to draw the top 16 players from each rating level when they put on these events... (in other words...CoCo was not a player the room was hoping to draw)

I personally think they are a great idea and had I not recently been snatched up by the economy and put out of work I would have posted the $100 in a hearbeat to enter the 9s event they had.

You are correct Goose. If I had the money I would have played in the 8 rated tourney. I think it is a great idea and I hope he does some more.

CooCoo - you are an idiot man. Think before you type man. Geez. You are worried about something you would never compete in even if you were a millionaire. The owner did not take from the players. You are upset that he didn't GIVE enough to them. You are pathetic. Maybe you should just stick to the problems down at the senior center and leave the rest of the worries for people who actually pay to play in these great events.

BVal

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

+1 regarding SJD's comments

I just hope people realize that CoCo is NOT even close to a true representation of pool players from Arizona...(or anywhere for that matter since I don't even think he qualifies as a pool player)

BRKNRUN what is you defination of a "pool player"??????

What was left out of the origonal post is that these are NOT weekly events. These are/were special events specifically for each individual rating.

I never said they eekly events!

[/QUOTE]Only 9's could play in the first event only 8's in the second etc. The event is designed as a non-handicapp see how you match up with the best of that particular rating event.

The $100 entry is to draw the players that think they are the best in thier respected rating level......

(Unless it has changed)...The pool room/bar limited the field to 16...They only intend to draw the top 16 players from each rating level when they put on these events... (in other words...CoCo was not a player the room was hoping to draw)

I personally think they are a great idea and had I not recently been snatched up by the economy and put out of work I would have posted the $100 in a hearbeat to enter the 9s event they had.[/QUOTE]

I personally think the idea stinks.:smile: