WPBA changes

spanky79

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The changes made seem to make the top level players happy, and makes it harder for the girls that are not in the top half and those trying to make it.
It will be interesting to see if these changes help or hurt the tour.

I there press release the only people they quoted were top players. I am interested to here form the girls that are not at the top and are trying to stay or get on the tour.

As for the going back to double elimination, that was needed and is a great move.
It also makes it not as easy for the top players, considering the way it was done before the lower ranked players picked a name out of a hat and those name were the top seeds. So the top players had a advantage playing girls that are not ranked in the top half the first round of the final 16.

These are just my opinions and I would be interested in hearing yours.
 
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The changes made seem to make the top level players happy, and makes it harder for the girls that are not in the top half and those trying to make it.
It will be interesting to see if these changes help or hurt the tour.

I there press release the only people they quoted were top players. I am interested to here form the girls that are not at the top and are trying to stay or get on the tour.

What changes are you referring to, specifically?
 
they are on the front page of AZB top of the list on the right.

Going back to 48 players and changing the way girls qualify.
 
OK, I read the changes. I actually think it helps everyone. Going back to the old qualifying system means less travel for players trying to get on the tour & with the WPBA having trouble getting a full 64-player field for some events, going back to 48 was inevitable. I also like the return to double elim (the modified single just wreaked of APA bull****) as it's fairer to everyone. I think you'll find the the tour "grinders" will like this as much as the top-tier players.
 
This is a very smart move by the board to go back to the things that were working. Going back to true double elim is fair to all the players and was very unfair to players that had not lost going out of the tournament with one loss while others were allowed two loses. I think ALL the changes will turn out to be good for the players and the tour. Johnnyt
 
just what I thought, already heard a few things from some of the grinders and up starts, they dont like it.
this will be interesting.
 
The problem is not with the changes. The problem lies with the way the changes are being implemented. First off, the players have not voted on these changes, which is the standard ways things are done on the WPBA. Second, the timing is completely unfair to some players that may have declined their Niagara invitation because they couldn't drop out of the top 48, which was the previous cut-off. Using Liz Taylor as an example, she is currently ranked #32 per the WPBA website. She didn't attend Atlanta, so she may have declined her Niagara invitation knowing that she was ranked high enough to keep her Exemption for 2011 (using the 48th rank as the cut-off as they have been doing). Now, I have no information as to whether or not Liz is playing Niagara; I am simply using her as a hypothetical. If she declined, she now is utterly shafted. She will lose her Exemption, and she will have to try and win qualifiers instead. This is wrong - plain and simple. If the WPBA was thinking of implementing these changes, the announcement should have been made prior to the acceptance deadline for Niagara, so that players like Liz could make an informed decision about whether or not they wanted to attend the last event of the year.

Again, the issue is not with the changes (although arguments can be made for all sides). The problem lies with the way the WPBA is choosing to handle their business.
 
WPBA Announces Changes for 2011

The WPBA Board of Directors notified its player membership today that WPBA field size will be reduced from 64 to 48 players for all 2011events. WPBA Vice President Tamre Rogers commented: "WPBA fields were, in fact, expanded by the Board in 2002 from 48 to 64. The Board felt compelled to return to the prior format because, in these tough economic times, prize fund growth has not kept pace with the growth in the expenses that the players incur in attending a Classic Tour event. As a result, on a per event basis, earnings prospects have dimmed for the players. The change is, therefore, first and foremost, intended to provide relief for core players of the WPBA and to ensure that the tour remains an attractive choice for the future stars of women's professional pool."

Along with field size reduction, the Board announced reintroduction of two Regional Tour programs. First, each Regional Tour points race winner will earn an exemption for the subsequent WPBA professional season. This policy is effective immediately, meaning that the point race winners in 2010 Regional Tour play will be granted exemption into all 2011 WPBA events, and this policy will remain in effect in the future. This replaces the exemptions awarded through the Regional Tour Championship. Second, the Regional Tours will, once again, be permitted to hold specific event qualifiers. For WPBA events in 2011, Regional Tours will be permitted to hold qualifiers in which the winner gets a guaranteed spot into a pre-specified WPBA event.

Tamre Rogers further commented that "it is not without some remorse that the Board opted to pursue these changes. The Board is keenly aware that some players acted in reliance on previous indications from the Board. Tough times, however, call for decisive action, and the Board felt strongly that the changes could not wait."

After release of the letter to the membership today, feedback was solicited. Allison Fisher commented "The return to a forty eight player field is, in my view, overdue. I am also very pleased to learn of the return to double elimination in WPBA tournaments. The redraw of the final sixteen was not fair to players undefeated to that point." Jasmin Ouschan noted "Returning to a smaller field in WPBA events will be fair to the top pros and will keep the playing level high! It should be an accomplishment to get a spot for a professional tour event on the WPBA." Kelly Fisher offered "I admire the Board for having the courage to pursue these very necessary changes." Karen Corr said "This sounds like a good plan that will strengthen the WPBA organization." Northwest Women’s Pool Association member Julie Valdez observed "As a ten year veteran of the Regional Tour system, I am very pleased to see that players will, once again, be able to qualify for WPBA events without having to incur the expense of attending a Regional Tour Championship. Reversion to the old qualifying system gives me more enthusiasm for continued participation." As noted, it is recognized that not every member will find favor with the decisions, but the Board is delighted to learn that some prominent members of our organization support these changes.

The WPBA Board looks forward to working with its membership to implement these changes, and, more importantly, to make 2011 as good a year as it can be for the WPBA organization.
By Press Release - 2010-11-18



I've got stuff to do right now.
I'll be back later with comments about who's benefiting, and who's getting screwed, if any.
 
June wanted me to post this for her to share her story

I find the decision that the WPBA board just made outrageous to the players
that just participated in a Regional Tour this last year. This
announcement comes one week after our Regional tour has just completed its
tournament season for the year.

Here is my situation. Since I don’t live near a Regional Tour, I spent a
LOT of money this year to participate in a year of Regional tour events.
This was just to get the chance to play in the Regional Tour Championships.
I missed one tournament because I was told that our tour would send at
least 3-4 players to the Regional Tour Championships. I was sitting in 2nd
place in our tour and guaranteed 3rd place, so there was no reason for me
to spend the extra money and time to participate in yet one more event. I
opted not to play so I could instead participate in the WPBA Amateur
Championships this weekend. By not going to the last event, I now fell to
3rd place in our tour. Now, this announcement comes and I won’t have a
chance to participate in the Regional Tour Championships and try to earn my
spot in the WPBA. That chance has now only been awarded to the 1st place
finishers of each tour. Now, if the 1st place finisher can’t attend a
tournament next year, the 2nd place finisher gets the next chance to
participate. I based everything that I did this season on what the WPBA
announced how earning a spot was going to work before the season started.

I think that the players that just participated in Regional Tours this past
year deserve a reason why this has been changed now. Why are all of the
players that just qualified to play in the RTC tournament along with the
first place finishers not going to be given the chance to play in the RTC
to earn their spot in the WPBA for the 2011 tournaments? That is how we
were told it was going to work this year. As far as I know, the RTC would
have awarded the same number of spots that are now being given to the 1st
place finisher in each tour.

This is similar to what the IPT did to their tour players.


June Maiers
NWPA Tour Member
 
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IMO the WPBA tour has been diluted more and more over the last 5 years or more. The final 16 was always a bad move. It is called “The Allison Fisher Format” for those in the know. You don’t see other pro sports making it harder the top players than the rest.

The tour has had problems filling spots with the players on the tour now and those that won spots on a regional, and then taking the next one in line that has the money to go. This dilutes the tour. If it’s going to remain a pro tour then only the best from each area should be on it. Someone that came in #6 on a regional is probably not pro material at the moment. If the #1 can’t go to the stop, then maybe #2 should be asked, but no further than that down the list. JMO. Johnnyt
 
I find the decision that the WPBA board just made outrageous to the players
that just participated in a Regional Tour this last year. This
announcement comes one week after our Regional tour has just completed its
tournament season for the year.

Here is my situation. Since I don’t live near a Regional Tour, I spent a
LOT of money this year to participate in a year of Regional tour events.
This was just to get the chance to play in the Regional Tour Championships.
I missed one tournament because I was told that our tour would send at
least 3-4 players to the Regional Tour Championships. I was sitting in 2nd
place in our tour and guaranteed 3rd place, so there was no reason for me
to spend the extra money and time to participate in yet one more event. I
opted not to play so I could instead participate in the WPBA Amateur
Championships this weekend. By not going to the last event, I now fell to
3rd place in our tour. Now, this announcement comes and I won’t have a
chance to participate in the Regional Tour Championships and try to earn my
spot in the WPBA. That chance has now only been awarded to the 1st place
finishers of each tour. Now, if the 1st place finisher can’t attend a
tournament next year, the 2nd place finisher gets the next chance to
participate. I based everything that I did this season on what the WPBA
announced how earning a spot was going to work before the season started.

I think that the players that just participated in Regional Tours this past
year deserve a reason why this has been changed now. Why are all of the
players that just qualified to play in the RTC tournament along with the
first place finishers not going to be given the chance to play in the RTC
to earn their spot in the WPBA for the 2011 tournaments? That is how we
were told it was going to work this year. As far as I know, the RTC would
have awarded the same number of spots that are now being given to the 1st
place finisher in each tour.

This is similar to what the IPT did to their tour players.


June Maiers
NWPA Tour Member


This story is another example of why the WPBA's choice to roll out these changes with no warning is a poor one. I am sure June is not the only player in a situation like this one.

Again, I do not question the decisions themselves. Just the timing.
 
Could it be that the WPBA can't get a venue to put on the RTC this year? Johnnyt

I offered to contact Hard Times again to see about repeating as a host. Never heard back from the powers that be.

And Kim White was interested in having them down in Texas.

So I don't think that was the problem.

Melissa
 
I offered to contact Hard Times again to see about repeating as a host. Never heard back from the powers that be.

And Kim White was interested in having them down in Texas.

So I don't think that was the problem.

Melissa

IC. Thank you. Johnnyt
 
I find the decision that the WPBA board just made outrageous to the players
that just participated in a Regional Tour this last year. This
announcement comes one week after our Regional tour has just completed its
tournament season for the year.

Here is my situation. Since I don’t live near a Regional Tour, I spent a
LOT of money this year to participate in a year of Regional tour events.
This was just to get the chance to play in the Regional Tour Championships.
I missed one tournament because I was told that our tour would send at
least 3-4 players to the Regional Tour Championships. I was sitting in 2nd
place in our tour and guaranteed 3rd place, so there was no reason for me
to spend the extra money and time to participate in yet one more event. I
opted not to play so I could instead participate in the WPBA Amateur
Championships this weekend. By not going to the last event, I now fell to
3rd place in our tour. Now, this announcement comes and I won’t have a
chance to participate in the Regional Tour Championships and try to earn my
spot in the WPBA. That chance has now only been awarded to the 1st place
finishers of each tour. Now, if the 1st place finisher can’t attend a
tournament next year, the 2nd place finisher gets the next chance to
participate. I based everything that I did this season on what the WPBA
announced how earning a spot was going to work before the season started.

I think that the players that just participated in Regional Tours this past
year deserve a reason why this has been changed now. Why are all of the
players that just qualified to play in the RTC tournament along with the
first place finishers not going to be given the chance to play in the RTC
to earn their spot in the WPBA for the 2011 tournaments? That is how we
were told it was going to work this year. As far as I know, the RTC would
have awarded the same number of spots that are now being given to the 1st
place finisher in each tour.

This is similar to what the IPT did to their tour players.


June Maiers
NWPA Tour Member

WOW,this would certainly piss me off.
 
I offered to contact Hard Times again to see about repeating as a host. Never heard back from the powers that be.

And Kim White was interested in having them down in Texas.

So I don't think that was the problem.

Melissa

Thanks. I was hoping it would be in LA...(although, it may not matter to me... I finished 5th and it looks like not high enough to get a spot at RTC)

I know you're not involved with the RTC at Texas, but do you know what will be at stake for this event? Last year top 8-9 players got to earn a pro card for year 2010, but from the press release, that 8 or 9 pro cards are already spoken for to the RT points winner.

S.
 
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Screwed

This is terrible news for players like myself and my friends, who traveled all over the east coast this year (and spend a lot of money) trying to get into the 2010 Regional Tour Championship that now will not even take place.
All that hard work and money is down the drain. They should have waited for this one more year to make it fair.
 
This is terrible news for players like myself and my friends, who traveled all over the east coast this year (and spend a lot of money) trying to get into the 2010 Regional Tour Championship that now will not even take place.
All that hard work and money is down the drain. They should have waited for this one more year to make it fair.

Too bad... No RTC this year...

S.
 
Hmmmmmm. Where to begin.

When it comes to the girls at the regional level who bought into the apparent bull-poo that the WPBA outlined for them who have since been screwed over, the WPBA definitely went FULL RETARD! WOW! I will never understand it. Talk about ignorant.
WHAT A JOKE!!!

Now, about the other stuff.

I feel that true double elimination is a good thing.
When they started that redraw crap, so they could have a varied assortment of winners, it effectively stopped Allison's dominance.
I wonder how many times since it was implemented, that a player with no losses, lost to someone with a loss.
It was a stupid gimmick, glad they did away with it.

With the field being dropped to 48, i would assume that the top 16 will be getting byes again, and that the WPBA will not have to go down the list of regional tour rankings, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc etc till they FINALLY get someone willing to show up just so the chart is filled.
It's probably better for their overall product.

As for the qualification process.
I kind of think that the top regional tour player is an ok idea. Couple of things though. Not every tour is of the same strength, so a #1 ranked player on this tour, might be a TOMATO CAN that blows at pool on a different tour.

In that sense, the RTC was a good idea because it strived to eliminate the filler that might show up and they could duke it out and let the cream rise to the top.
BUUTTT, the problem with that is that the RTC is a one time deal.
It doesn't allow for the bum match or luck, and basically is asking for everyone to show up and give it their best shot, when that isn't what the final rankings of the regional tours represent.
The final rankings of regional tours represents a much longer period of time, where someone could have a crappy tournament, and still manage to keep their rank overall. When you put everyones chips into one tournament, if someone has a bad tournament, or fate is decidedly against them with the rolls, there is no way to recover. Game over.

Ideally, if one wanted to do an RTC, it should be a season of tournaments, with just the top ranked girls from each tour participating, to see what pecking order is established, but that is just completely unrealistic in todays world.

I will also say that i think it's a good thing that they went back to individual spots for specific events.
Gives the girl who might want to qualify for a tournament she knows she can make or wants to play in, a chance to win her entry without the hassle of having to play all year long to maintain a rank.

Only problem at the regional level is if the regional tour allows pros.
With the individual spots, and with the overall ranking, the principle is the same.

It has been discussed several times over the years, but if you are allowing pros to slaughter the non pros in regional tours, you aren't really allowing for those girls to determine their individual ranking/pecking order.
Their ranking, and those individual spots that would be earned, are determined more so by the luck of the draw, then someone's ability.

I'm sure that someone will argue that tours like that toughen the girls up, which is TRUE, but that has no bearing on the outcome, when some great player, gets knocked to the one loss side in the first round by a world champ, EVERY TOURNAMENT.

Think i covered it all.

My condolences to the regional tour players that got pooped on by the WPBA.
They definitely need an explanation that isn't a total load of garbage.
If i were the WPBA at the very least, they could hold a RTC and invite everyone they were originally going to, and only give away the number of spots as there are regional tours. (which would be the same number as if they took each #1)
That way, they are at least giving them a shot at it, and not just stepping on them like someone putting out a cigarette.
 
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