WPBA changes

[Eric.]

REVOLUTION!

I'd talk to a lawyer and see if there is something illegal being done (since money was involved in false advertisement) to see if restitution is owed to me for money or potential moneys lost. (i assume girls all had to pay their dues, and then a lawyer can argue the "money spent" to attain regional rank theory)
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I like your style, man, but as you know, this route only looks good on paper.

If this were to go the Civil suit route (and it would), the costs far outweigh the potential reward. I doubt any lawyers would take this case on contingency. You might spend a lot of money to, in the end, settle for an amount that is less than you put out.

Assuming you prevail in court.


Eric

 

[SUPERSTAR]

all i can say is AMEN

So how many times have i been right now?
The list is growing too long for me to remember.

 

[spanky79]

I can't stand to say it but you have been right on this subject that is for sure.

It pisses me off to see friends get crapped on.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I like your style, man, but as you know, this route only looks good on paper.

If this were to go the Civil suit route (and it would), the costs far outweigh the potential reward. You might spend a lot of money to, in the end, settle for an amount that is less than you put out.

Assuming you prevail in court.


Eric

This is true, but i'm sure someone has a lawyer friend who can answer some questions for them.
See if it is worth any further action.
It's not like the WPBA has boatloads of cash anyway.

It's probably something they would want to avoid, and are just hoping that no one has enough initiative to take anything to the next level.

i.e. girls just accept their fate with no protest.

 

[Firecracker]

This is true, but i'm sure someone has a lawyer friend who can answer some questions for them.
See if it is worth any further action.
It's not like the WPBA has boatloads of cash anyway.

It's probably something they would want to avoid, and are just hoping that no one has enough initiative to take anything to the next level.

i.e. girls just accept their fate with no protest.

Before starting down the legal route, I would recommend that the players that are affected take their concerns to their regional tour directors. From there, their RT director can address the multiple player concerns with the WPBA directly. It's alot easier for the RT directors if they have concrete evidence of affected players (i.e. I have had 5 players lodge complaints on the change), rather than speculation (i.e. I think we had 5 girls that may have wanted to go to the RTC).

 

[Love The Game]

WPBA Solution

Dave Hughes has been in contact today with the WPBA board and several players regarding this situation. He has some interesting insight, and what I believe is a solution for all of this.

For those of you that don't know Dave, he has coached several of the WPBA players and has been around pool forever. You can contact him at 720 933 3537.

 

[Whodat?]

Dave Hughes has been in contact today with the WPBA board and several players regarding this situation. He has some interesting insight, and what I believe is a solution for all of this.

For those of you that don't know Dave, he has coached several of the WPBA players and has been around pool forever. You can contact him at 720 933 3537.

Which Board member did he speak with? Which pro players has he coached?

And if he has a solution, perhaps he might want to share it here so that all interested parties can take a look. Why is a one-on-one conversation needed?

 

[Dagwoodz]

Which Board member did he speak with? Which pro players has he coached?

And if he has a solution, perhaps he might want to share it here so that all interested parties can take a look. Why is a one-on-one conversation needed?

As much as I would like to know what "the juiciness" is, I think at this point, if there is a possible solution to this that would benefit the women affected by this change, let them hash out the fine details before airing it on a public forum. I would hate for there to be a viable resolution for all parties involved by it being spread out in the open.

With that being said...I am curious what the possible solution could be. This entire situation wreaks of elitism, and is a microcosm of our society today. The rich (the top pros in this analogy) get richer, and the poor (those outside that circle) get poorer.

 

[mlalum]

This is true, but i'm sure someone has a lawyer friend who can answer some questions for them.
See if it is worth any further action.
It's not like the WPBA has boatloads of cash anyway.

It's probably something they would want to avoid, and are just hoping that no one has enough initiative to take anything to the next level.

i.e. girls just accept their fate with no protest.

Listen to Eric Superstar. Don't make this your first time being wrong about something.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Listen to Eric Superstar. Don't make this your first time being wrong about something.

It's not wrong if you are just asking legal questions from a friend to see what was illegal if anything.
It would be wrong to blow a boatload of money on nothing or to blow more then you could possibly gain, anyone can understand that.

Maybe the girls can have a telethon to raise money should they have a case.

 

[mlalum]

It's not wrong if you are just asking legal questions from a friend to see what was illegal if anything.
It would be wrong to blow a boatload of money on nothing or to blow more then you could possibly gain, anyone can understand that.

Maybe the girls can have a telethon to raise money should they have a case.

You know in other worlds where something like this is ongoing - people being relentlessly unhappy with a tour, or a league or a business- competition rises up. And They compete. And if the original organization is hollow or loses any of its talent they go away. Basically the winner will be the group that runs the business better. Sometimes a tipping point occurs where a new group/company comes in. From observing all the information that the forum provides the trend here seems to be WPBA is losing it's foundation, financial wellbeing.

Sooo. Either a new entity arises or a qualified people investigate and determine whether there's enough money in it to pursue.

If you look at the realm of successful companies and sports leagues hardly ever can you find one run by the "Talent.'' In the history of the world the Players-Talent have a brutal success rate. there has to be money it in to attract qualified people/investors. And those people then make it happen if it's to happen at all. players running things almost guarantees failure.

 

[justnum]

You know in other worlds where something like this is ongoing - people being relentlessly unhappy with a tour, or a league or a business- competition rises up. And They compete. And if the original organization is hollow or loses any of its talent they go away. Basically the winner will be the group that runs the business better. Sometimes a tipping point occurs where a new group/company comes in. From observing all the information that the forum provides the trend here seems to be WPBA is losing it's foundation, financial wellbeing.

Sooo. Either a new entity arises or a qualified people investigate and determine whether there's enough money in it to pursue.

If you look at the realm of successful companies and sports leagues hardly ever can you find one run by the "Talent.'' In the history of the world the Players-Talent have a brutal success rate. there has to be money it in to attract qualified people/investors. And those people then make it happen if it's to happen at all. players running things almost guarantees failure.

The government of America is run by the talent. Americans just pay the money to let them try things. Talent is the ability to confuse people with powerful advertising that you will spend other people's money well.

 

[WPBA Player]

Let me translate that message for everyone:

First off, to all the regional players who paid their dues and busted their asses to try and place in the tops of their tours: the WPBA says "Thanks for playing, but screw you. Only the winner gets a spot now. Ohhhh, that's not what you expected? Well, too bad! It's our decision and we hope you learn to live with it."

Next, to all the WPBA who were ranked around 32 but didn't go to Niagara because they thought they were safe for 2011, the WPBA says "Thanks for playing, but screw you. Yeah, we know you might have come to Niagara in order to protect your status had you known, but we were too busy making other clueless decisions to give you fair warning. Good luck on the Regional Tour system in 2011, and maybe we will see you in 2012 if we survive that long."

Also to anyone not in the top 16, the WPBA says "Thanks for playing and screw you. The top 16 are so special that they deserve every advantage. Who are the top 16, you say? Well, I am sure I can name a few of them, maybe, except that it changes from event to event. But anyway, they really are special and totally deserve a first-round bye every single tournament. And yeah, you're right that reducing the field size each event loses $8000 in entry fees, but we are saving $8000 in payouts, too. So, oh wait a minute - that's a wash. No that can't be right, someone told me we would be saving money somhow and that they top players would be getting more. But that can't be right. Oh well, I'm sure it's better cuz someone told me so. And just look at all the positive quotes we got from the top 16."


And finally to the general WPBA membership itself, the WPBA Board says "Thanks for playing and screw you. You think you get to vote on these things? Nope, not anymore. You don't like it? Too bad. You voted us in and now we've got the power. And on that note, we would especially like to thank the players that are completely apathtic to anything going on. Because of your laziness and unwillingness to get involved, we will be getting away with much more of this sort of thing in the future."

Sincerely - The WPBA Board of Directors

 

[mlalum]

The government of America is run by the talent. Americans just pay the money to let them try things. Talent is the ability to confuse people with powerful advertising that you will spend other people's money well.

uh Huh? nevermind.

 

[justnum]

uh Huh? nevermind.

Changes that aren't introduced in a town hall style can encounter a lot of resistance. The tour players that support the organizers with fees and playing in tournaments should be treated with some respect and regard.

Most organizers just want the players that bring in fans, they could care less about up and coming players. A pool league is class based, the classes are organizers, famous pro, and fans and no-name pool player. The classes that are needed to turn a profit are organizers and famous pro. Aside from that a pool tournament is a zoo.

Professional recommendation is to survey players to determine what the main problems with the existing tour is. Problems that could exist like lack of notice on changes, lack of discussion and lack of opportunities provided by organizers to involve players with organization decisions.

When players only put up the money and don't say anything, it seems reasonable organizers wouldn't think anything is wrong. They might even believe the changes are desired and are preserving the tour as opposed to take chances in rocky times.

A pool tour is like the government people pay taxes but have no representation. The talent are the people who collect the taxes. The people who pay the taxes are just that taxpayers.

On a theatric note I imagine several players were having the talkshow/news anchor moment of disgust, anger or confusion about the WPBA changes. The audacity of some people is simply gross. A contest on who could say the convey the most disgust, anger or confusion would be an exercise in casting for various channels. If you manage to get past a facial and think of something you might get a writing contract at a paper. If you can go so far as to think up causes of failure that make sense you'd be in the potential threat to status quo category.

 

[Island Drive]

You alluded to it before; women will play on the men's regional pro/am tours.


Eric

I'm not clear, does this mean women can get accredited points on a non sanctioned womens event that will help them qualilfy for their events?
If so I had no clue but I like the idea with our current business climate. Women have proven of late, they can get there and there's No reason it won't be happening more often.

 

[QueenB]

As much as it sucks for the girls on the regional tours (myself included), and those so close to being in the top 48, I think the WPBA had to do this to stay alive. Sponsorship money has been drying up and the number of annual events has declined. I'm sure it was not an easy decision for the board to make, but it's the right one at the right time. The WPBA is one of only a few professional women's sporting organizations that I would certainly hate to see vanish, and I commend the board for doing what it felt it had to in order to remain solvent and relevant. Personally, I would rather see the WPBA make an attempt to thrive in a harsh economic environment, than to see it's possible demise.

I would hate to see it vanish too, but it doesn't give anyone the right to treat the players that way.
Also... could anyone explain to me how reducing the field would help the WPBA remain solvent and relevant? I just do not get it.
To me, more players equals more 500$ entry fees.

 

[maldito]

if anything, that is why jean balukas will always have my respect.
Arguably the greatest female player told them to stuff it, and hasn't looked back since.

the greatest - amen

 

[maldito]

Let me translate that message for everyone:

First off, to all the regional players who paid their dues and busted their asses to try and place in the tops of their tours: the WPBA says "Thanks for playing, but screw you. Only the winner gets a spot now. Ohhhh, that's not what you expected? Well, too bad! It's our decision and we hope you learn to live with it."

Next, to all the WPBA who were ranked around 32 but didn't go to Niagara because they thought they were safe for 2011, the WPBA says "Thanks for playing, but screw you. Yeah, we know you might have come to Niagara in order to protect your status had you known, but we were too busy making other clueless decisions to give you fair warning. Good luck on the Regional Tour system in 2011, and maybe we will see you in 2012 if we survive that long."

Also to anyone not in the top 16, the WPBA says "Thanks for playing and screw you. The top 16 are so special that they deserve every advantage. Who are the top 16, you say? Well, I am sure I can name a few of them, maybe, except that it changes from event to event. But anyway, they really are special and totally deserve a first-round bye every single tournament. And yeah, you're right that reducing the field size each event loses $8000 in entry fees, but we are saving $8000 in payouts, too. So, oh wait a minute - that's a wash. No that can't be right, someone told me we would be saving money somhow and that they top players would be getting more. But that can't be right. Oh well, I'm sure it's better cuz someone told me so. And just look at all the positive quotes we got from the top 16."


And finally to the general WPBA membership itself, the WPBA Board says "Thanks for playing and screw you. You think you get to vote on these things? Nope, not anymore. You don't like it? Too bad. You voted us in and now we've got the power. And on that note, we would especially like to thank the players that are completely apathtic to anything going on. Because of your laziness and unwillingness to get involved, we will be getting away with much more of this sort of thing in the future."

Sincerely - The WPBA Board of Directors

So what your saying is that these members (Stu Mattana - Belinda Calhoun- Dawn Hopkins - Christine De La Garza - Tamre Rodgers - Mimi Rodgers ) sat down and came up with all these changes and none of this is put to a vote at all ?? BTW - they are listed as the 2010 WPBA board members on the site - some of them are on this forum perhaps they will reply.

 

[Johnnyt]

If the top 16 think this is all a great idea let them be the WPBA Tour and play each other. See how they like playing all champions for a few $10,000 tournaments a year. You won't see any jumping on a plane and coming to the US to play. But I bet you will see five or six of the top 16 getting on a plane and returning to their countries. Johnnyt