Wrist, elbow, and shoulder pain after long practice sessions

Michaelconway

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Recently I've been practicing about 7 hours a day for about 4-5 days straight and my wrist, elbow, and shoulder have begun to hurt pretty bad to the point where I can shoot the following day.

What are some ideas on practicing times that may alleviate this problem? I usually do two blocks of 3 1/2 hours with an hour break in between. Also would this be considered normal?

Another aspect of long practice hours is the mental fatigue as well, I get to a point where my brain is shut off and i'm shooting like a zombie. But I figure, probably wrongly, that it is better to hit balls than not to.
 
Recently I've been practicing about 7 hours a day for about 4-5 days straight and my wrist, elbow, and shoulder have begun to hurt pretty bad to the point where I can shoot the following day.

What are some ideas on practicing times that may alleviate this problem? I usually do two blocks of 3 1/2 hours with an hour break in between. Also would this be considered normal?

Another aspect of long practice hours is the mental fatigue as well, I get to a point where my brain is shut off and i'm shooting like a zombie. But I figure, probably wrongly, that it is better to hit balls than not to.

Are you right or left-handed? Are you practicing alone or with someone?
 
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I'm right handed, and it's my left arm that is having these problems. I shoot by myself in two non-stop drills 3-4 hours straight. so a total of 7 hrs a day. I don't thing I can afford to cut back on my practice, wondering if there is a good length of time I can break up each drill into.
 
I also recommend taking Glucosamine with Chondroitin and MSM Combination.

Recently I've been practicing about 7 hours a day for about 4-5 days straight and my wrist, elbow, and shoulder have begun to hurt pretty bad to the point where I can shoot the following day.

What are some ideas on practicing times that may alleviate this problem? I usually do two blocks of 3 1/2 hours with an hour break in between. Also would this be considered normal?

Another aspect of long practice hours is the mental fatigue as well, I get to a point where my brain is shut off and i'm shooting like a zombie. But I figure, probably wrongly, that it is better to hit balls than not to.

I would recommend practicing on specific things for an hour at a time....and even break that into 20 minute sections....maybe shoot ALL balls of the rail for 20, then bank EVERY ball for 20, then play "Caroms" for 20...this would be a better use of your time.

I also recommend taking Glucosamine with Chondroitin and MSM Combination...http://www.supplementspot.com/gluco...m=cpc&utm_term=glucosamine chondroitin msm.it will do wonders for the pain you are experiencing and actually build your weaknesses up.
 
The twenty minute section is excellent advice. I would also suggest a 5 minute break between during which you can stretch to try and loosen up. We have no info on your age,weight , muscle or joint condition, previous injuries ect.

Pain is your body's way of telling you something. If the breaks don't work and you cannot dial down your practice it is time to see a doctor. I will not give medical advice.

Hope this works out for you. You sound very dedicated to improvement in your game.


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I'm a huge fan of CJ Wiley's tennis grip (hammer-wrist action)...I insist on using it (it's the nuts), but it's given me tennis elbow! I've got tendon strain in my stroking elbow, to the point it hurts when I squeeze my grip hand (like when shaking hands). It abates a little with a couple of days off, but comes right back durning a session of shooting. I can still shoot that way all day long, but the pain persists. I guess I'm hoping it's just getting the dog out, but I can't stop long enough to let it heal. Kind of reminds me of the joke "it hurts when I do this Doc," "then don't do that" says the doctor! :)
 
I'm right handed, and it's my left arm that is having these problems. I shoot by myself in two non-stop drills 3-4 hours straight. so a total of 7 hrs a day. I don't thing I can afford to cut back on my practice, wondering if there is a good length of time I can break up each drill into.

Yes, there will be some degree of minor aches and pains with all that practice but I suspect that you may have something else going on that is causing more pain than necessary. I suspect that you are leaning too hard on your bridge arm which comes from being off-balance and out of alignment.

You're probably fighting your body's physique by forcing it for hour after hour to lean and twist in a detrimental way.
 
I'm convinced it works.....very, very, well.

I'm a huge fan of CJ Wiley's tennis grip (hammer-wrist action)...I insist on using it (it's the nuts), but it's given me tennis elbow! I've got tendon strain in my stroking elbow, to the point it hurts when I squeeze my grip hand (like when shaking hands). It abates a little with a couple of days off, but comes right back durning a session of shooting. I can still shoot that way all day long, but the pain persists. I guess I'm hoping it's just getting the dog out, but I can't stop long enough to let it heal. Kind of reminds me of the joke "it hurts when I do this Doc," "then don't do that" says the doctor! :)

I've never had "tennis elbow" from pool, but I have from tennis and golf. The first thing I do is try to "endure the pain," and this lasts about a month each time, THEN I go to a qualified ACUPUNCTURIST***(I had the type that includes electricity too) and it's noticeably better within 7-10 days (I've had it three times in my life).......the last time was over 5 years ago and each time it worked (twice in one arm, once in the other).

Check into Glucosamine & Chondroitin w/ MSM as well, it's AWESOME for ongoing joint health, I've been taking it regularly for many years and have no joint discomfort at all.... I do a lot of martial arts, mountain biking, weapon training, etc. so I'm convinced it works.....very, very, well.

John McChesney was the first one to ever tell me about it, and then my martial arts instructor verified it's usefulness......I'm really glad, it's one of the best supplements. imho

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Acupuncture for Tennis Elbow

Study Suggests Treatment Is Effective, Even in Difficult Cases

By Michael Devitt

One of the most frequent injuries suffered by professional athletes and weekend warriors alike is epicondylitis, an inflammation of the muscles and tendons of the forearm.

More commonly known as tennis elbow, it is caused by repeated twisting of the wrist or frequent rotation of the forearm, and can lead to a weakened grip, elbow pain, and damage to the tendons that connect to the humerus, the bone of the upper arm.
Traditional treatment of tennis elbow consists of therapies such as braces, medications, heat, physical therapy and rest, the majority of which are effective in relieving pain but do very little to prevent the condition from recurring. Research from a pilot study presented at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation in San Francisco1 suggests that acupuncture not only relieves the symptoms of tennis elbow, it appears to resolve the condition completely.

In the study, Dr. Peter Dorsher, a medical doctor certified in acupuncture, performed acupuncture on 22 patients with varying degrees of tennis elbow. Dorsher used "rounded" acupuncture needles, which are designed to pierce the skin and enter the muscle with as little damage as possible. All of the patients were treated with French energetic meridian therapy, with needles inserted at local points on the elbow in tight myofascial bands.

Each patient was treated between 2-10 times. After an average of 3.9 treatments, a "maximal response" was achieved, with every patient reporting a disappearance of their symptoms. This response also appeared to last much longer than that usually seen in patients using painkillers, braces or other traditional methods. At a mean followup time of 8.5 months after receiving acupuncture, 17 patients (77.3%) experienced a resolution of their symptoms and had returned to full, normal activities; another two patients had returned to normal activities except those that involved heavy lifting in the affected arm.

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of Dorsher's study is that many patients had endured months of pain before turning to acupuncture. Subjects in the study group suffered symptoms an average of eight months; six patients had experienced symptoms for more than two years.

Furthermore, nearly every patient who participated had previously attempted to cure their tennis elbow through conventional means, with some patients trying multiple therapies without success before trying acupuncture. Of the 22 subjects in the study, 14 had undergone "extensive hand therapy interventions"; 17 had used an elbow brace or splint; seven received corticosteroid injections for pain relief; and one patient had elbow surgery, all without achieving the desired effect, before turning to acupuncture.

In an interview with Reuters Health, Dorsher said that it was unclear why acupuncture seemed to help patients in the early and latter stages of tennis elbow but added that the needles appeared to immediately loosen the tight muscles around the elbow joint. Acupuncture was found to be so helpful, he noted, that he now performs it as a primary form of treatment.

"This is an extremely powerful tool for pain," he said.2

Based on the pilot study's encouraging results, Dorsher plans to conduct a larger, prospective controlled study in the near future, with some patients receiving acupuncture and some receiving an inactive placebo.

References

Dorsher PT. Treatment of chronic lateral epicondylitis with acupuncture: a pilot study. Presented at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, San Francisco, CA, November 4, 2000.
Norton A. Acupuncture serves up cure for tennis elbow. Reuters Health, November 6, 2000.
 
Yes, there will be some degree of minor aches and pains with all that practice but I suspect that you may have something else going on that is causing more pain than necessary. I suspect that you are leaning too hard on your bridge arm which comes from being off-balance and out of alignment.

You're probably fighting your body's physique by forcing it for hour after hour to lean and twist in a detrimental way.

See, we do agree on some things! I have found that sometimes after just a few racks I am very sore. I immediately "loosen up" and then go back at it slightly different. What caused the pain for me was simply being too tense. Wanting a great practice session, and making sure everything was done just right. Doing that, I found out I was tensing my entire body. You can only do that for a short while before the pain sets in. Especially at my age! Try just staying "loose". Not "loosey-goosey" loose, but just relaxed.
 
See, we do agree on some things! I have found that sometimes after just a few racks I am very sore. I immediately "loosen up" and then go back at it slightly different. What caused the pain for me was simply being too tense. Wanting a great practice session, and making sure everything was done just right. Doing that, I found out I was tensing my entire body. You can only do that for a short while before the pain sets in. Especially at my age! Try just staying "loose". Not "loosey-goosey" loose, but just relaxed.

I'm afraid we don't really agree. If the player is standing out of alignment and is off balance, if they were to just loosen up, they would be missing all over the place.

Assuming the player is out of alignment, which I do, then the reason for the tension is due to forcing the body into an alignment that is hurtful to the body.

The answer is in adjusting the alignment to one that works with the natural physique of the body.
 
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I'm afraid we don't really agree. If the player is standing out of alignment and is off balance, if they were to just loosen up, they would be missing all over the place.

Assuming the player is out of alignment, which I do, then the reason for the tension is due to forcing the body into an alignment that is hurtful to the body.

The answer is in adjusting the alignment to one that works with the natural physique of the body.

Fran, I was agreeing with your assessment as a possibility, and also offered another possibility.
 
Wrist Elbow and Shoulder pain?

I play pool 5-7 days a week and it varies the number of hours but typically 3 or 4 hours. Some weekends I might play 8 hours, 14 hours and 12 hours (fri, sat, sun) and for the first few days of the next week I use to feel slightly sore.

If there is bad pain then you might be doing something wrong or another issue. Is it muscle pain or just sore? I'd suggest shorten your practice sessions and start doing light working out on your off days. If you look at the top pool players, almost all of them try to eat healthy and work out regularly.

Mental Fatigue - biggest pointer for that is to stop practicing if you can no longer practice that day. You are not going to get much (if anything) out of playing like that. If you are going to practice for long periods you should break it up into smaller segments with breaks where you get away from the table in between. If you are playing in a tournament over a weekend, stay off your feet when your not playing.
 
Michaelconway...Without reading the other replies, what immediately comes to mind is putting too much pressure on your bridge hand, when you are down on the table shooting. That can certainly cause the symptoms you describe.

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Recently I've been practicing about 7 hours a day for about 4-5 days straight and my wrist, elbow, and shoulder have begun to hurt pretty bad to the point where I can shoot the following day.

What are some ideas on practicing times that may alleviate this problem? I usually do two blocks of 3 1/2 hours with an hour break in between. Also would this be considered normal?

Another aspect of long practice hours is the mental fatigue as well, I get to a point where my brain is shut off and i'm shooting like a zombie. But I figure, probably wrongly, that it is better to hit balls than not to.
 
I'm afraid we don't really agree. If the player is standing out of alignment and is off balance, if they were to just loosen up, they would be missing all over the place.

Assuming the player is out of alignment, which I do, then the reason for the tension is due to forcing the body into an alignment that is hurtful to the body.

The answer is in adjusting the alignment to one that works with the natural physique of the body
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Very nicley written- well choosen words!
*copyright overtaken* :-)

hope you re doing good Fran. have a nice day :)

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