WTS:late 80's early 90's schon LTD
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This is a BIG DEAL for all of AZ'ers
It is a BIG DEAL as we are all fellow AZ'ers we cant have people doing this, as it will kill the forum and nobody will ever want to conduct business here, if they are constantly getting ripped off and undercut on deals, and this is in no way shape or form a proper way to conduct business. I agree that the money is for a good cause but that doesn't excuse the actions of the seller.
Waldo's said:
It is a BIG DEAL as we are all fellow AZ'ers we cant have people doing this, as it will kill the forum and nobody will ever want to conduct business here, if they are constantly getting ripped off and undercut on deals, and this is in no way shape or form a proper way to conduct business. I agree that the money is for a good cause but that doesn't excuse the actions of the seller.
While I certainly don't think there was any malice intended, it seems that 21Gambler should have had right of first refusal at $800.
Judging by what I read in this thread, though, I would imagine that time was a factor and the seller was finally happy to receive a solid offer of $800 and didn't want to wait or take a chance on losing the sale.
I would certainly not be happy if I were 21Gambler (who should have gotten this cue for $800, imho), but I think this was a "special circumstances" sale where standard considerations may have been pushed aside.
Sometimes ya just gotta let it go.
Judging by what I read in this thread, though, I would imagine that time was a factor and the seller was finally happy to receive a solid offer of $800 and didn't want to wait or take a chance on losing the sale.
I would certainly not be happy if I were 21Gambler (who should have gotten this cue for $800, imho), but I think this was a "special circumstances" sale where standard considerations may have been pushed aside.
Sometimes ya just gotta let it go.
this is no way to conduct business. costumers that have read this thread will now be skeptical doing business on this forum. I know the majority of us conduct business the right way but you know what they say that it only takes one to spoil it for everyone. I would be pissed too if this happened to me. Gambler even made an offer that he would sell it back when the friend got better. Who bought this cue? PLEASE COME FORWARD so we can hear the whole story behind this transaction
Here's how it went down. At 12:35 AM I PMed her and said I'll take the cue for 800 and I would paypal her the money right after she posted her last thread. She said great and we proceeded from there. Nobody told me or her how to properly conduct a sale on AZ when we started on here. Now she is feeling terrible but like she said I contacted her right after she posted that she would take 800 for it. I dont think there is anything else that her or I need to explain. If you guys think she was unprofessional about it she wasn't. All this has blown out of proportion and she wasn't trying to screw around with anyone. I talked to her that night about it. 750 though to be honest is a little bit of a low ball offer coming from the standpoint the guy is in the hospital and needs money. The cue is worth more than 800 bucks and I think everyone knows it. They already dropped in 200 bucks just to drum up some money for the poor guy. Sorry if anyone is mad about it but next time I should've said I"ll take it or I want it. I went ahead and PM'ed her on it right after because the first thing people do usually is check their PM's. She didn't know what the exact proper procedure is either. Bottom line is I told her I would give her the asking price before the offer to her was even offered. End of story.
no the problem isnt that u pm'ed her. the problem is that she counter offered 21's initial offer then sold it to someone else. he responded within a reasonable time frame (6 hours) so it wasnt like she countered then waited a week before selling it.
and no u did not tell her u'd take it before she made the offer to 21 as she made that offer to him before she even updated the thread. and u only made the offer to buy it after seeing the update to the thread.
and no u did not tell her u'd take it before she made the offer to 21 as she made that offer to him before she even updated the thread. and u only made the offer to buy it after seeing the update to the thread.
Wrong C and C
First off you wouldn't have even seen this thread if it wasn't for me sending her an offer in the first place as thread was dead a month ago, and the last time I checked $750 and $800 aren't that far apart, and the $800 offer to sale wasn't even made until after I made the $750 offer, so don't try and justify it with that lame excuse. You PMed her 1:30 minutes after she had made the counter offer to me, heck her post to sell for $800 was after she made the counter offer to me, as for as telling you how to properly conduct a sale on AZ, you both have itrader points so you should know how its done and also common knowledge works as well you don't offer to one person at a price and then sell to another without giving the first person a fair amount of time to either accept or refuse your offer, and seeing the 2 offers were only $50 apart I think it was a pretty safe bet I was going to accept the offer, and I think the 6 hours I responded to accept the offer isn't asking her to wait, if I would have been logged on 6 hours earlier I would have accepted it then, just so happens you were logged in at the time she posted to the forums, which was after she had already offered it to me at that price. ( Exact proper procedure ) Explaining something by saying you don't know how to do it is a lame excuse, even more so when you both have conduced business before. And as far as your bottom line goes its way off get your facts straight before you make those comments, I know you know how to read, As I have already posted the private messages and times they were sent its clear as day she had already offered it to me before you or anyone else even knew the cue was for sale at $800. Now its END OF STORYc and c said:
I dont know about any offers you had with her. I did not read anything pertaining to your offers to her. I gave her the price that her friend was wanting. Who by the way is a police officer who was shot in the hospital. She was not in a position to ask the man in the hospital if he would take 50 bucks less than what she was allowed to sell it for. I cant possibly imagine how you could be mad at me for this. I saw in the last post which I went straight down to because I wanted to see if it was sold. The first thing I see is I can let it go for 800 which she said. So I PMed her and she said great and it went from there. Now I"m the bad guy. Hilarious.
While I can understand your frustration with the seller in this situation, the buyer owes no explanation to anyone. They saw the cue for sale at the right price and they bought it. They weren't privy to any "behind the scenes" Pms or conversations.
One thing to remember too, is that there is no contract until there is a "meeting of the minds" of the parties involved. You can't simply say that the offer was close enough to know I was a buyer. There has to be an offer and acceptance of that offer before it's a done deal.
I had the same kind of deal with the late Raist Chin (R.I.P.) on this forum where he was interested in a Titlist that I had. I advertised the cue and he asked me about the price. I quoted him the price and instead of him saying "I'll take it", he asked for more pictures and said that maybe we would trade a cue that I had wanted from him, but there was never acceptance of my offer. The second person called me up and said they would take the cue and asked me for my Paypal ID. Raist got back to me sixteen hours later and was furious that I'd already sold the cue. In Raist's mind, there was obviously a deal, but there was no "meeting of the minds" on my part. Unfortunately, miscommunication ruined our relationship and we never did another deal before he passed away.
I learned my lesson with that deal and now, I'm almost anal retentive with asking questions and making sure I know the intent of my customer or seller before I make assumptions. I think 21's intentions were much clearer than Raist's because he at least mentioned the Paypal payment and I'm sorry it didn't work out better, but c and c was certainly not the cause of the deal going bad...
Steve
One thing to remember too, is that there is no contract until there is a "meeting of the minds" of the parties involved. You can't simply say that the offer was close enough to know I was a buyer. There has to be an offer and acceptance of that offer before it's a done deal.
I had the same kind of deal with the late Raist Chin (R.I.P.) on this forum where he was interested in a Titlist that I had. I advertised the cue and he asked me about the price. I quoted him the price and instead of him saying "I'll take it", he asked for more pictures and said that maybe we would trade a cue that I had wanted from him, but there was never acceptance of my offer. The second person called me up and said they would take the cue and asked me for my Paypal ID. Raist got back to me sixteen hours later and was furious that I'd already sold the cue. In Raist's mind, there was obviously a deal, but there was no "meeting of the minds" on my part. Unfortunately, miscommunication ruined our relationship and we never did another deal before he passed away.
I learned my lesson with that deal and now, I'm almost anal retentive with asking questions and making sure I know the intent of my customer or seller before I make assumptions. I think 21's intentions were much clearer than Raist's because he at least mentioned the Paypal payment and I'm sorry it didn't work out better, but c and c was certainly not the cause of the deal going bad...
Steve
c and c said:
it is not ur fault u bought it and at least i for one am not blaming u. but i still dont think u understand the situation. SHE ONLY ASKED THE OWNER AND ADVERTISED THE CUE FOR 800 BECAUSE 21 MADE THE 750 OFFER. FURTHERMORE, SHE COUNTER OFFERED TO HIM BEFORE SHE EVEN LISTED THE UPDATE. That means there was no way u saw that price before she counter offered to 21. so what u said here makes no sense since 1) she actually went to the hospital to ask the man if he'd accept 250 less. 2) you are wrong because she was in a position to ask the man in the hospital, this is proven by the fact that she actually did it.
Plain and simple. From what I gathered from her is that she needed to get 800 for the cue for him. I PMe'd her that I would paypal her 800 plus 3 % and she said great. It sounded to me like she could not go back and forth to the hospital with offers to the injured policeman. She actually emailed me and felt bad she caused all this stir. She did not know what the proper procedure was and I am apologizing for her because she feels terrible and doesn't want to get involved. If I stepped over 21 I didn't mean or intend to. I've got some very nice cues and thought the Schon was a nice cue for the money. Half of me was buying the cue because I thought it seemed to be going to a good cause also. I think she was in a tough spot trying to help someone out who is in need of money right now. That's all I have.
I agree with some of the other posters on this. Although the deal probably could have been handled better, the seller doesn't owe an explanation here, nor does it sound like there was malice, especially under the unusal circumstances here with the previous owner.
Wires do get crossed sometimes when you have a scenario where two or more people are inquiring about trying to buy a cue. You live and learn. As a buyer, I have lost out on many a similar buy because I was stuck on the price that I thought I wanted it for....only to then see it sell for $50 or $100 more. And you know what, almost every time I realized later....I was dumb for not paying that little bit of extra money for it.
With experience, you'll learn to pull the pull the trigger faster. After all, that was a sweet deal on this fancy model Schon.....$800 or $750....both were a great deal.
Wires do get crossed sometimes when you have a scenario where two or more people are inquiring about trying to buy a cue. You live and learn. As a buyer, I have lost out on many a similar buy because I was stuck on the price that I thought I wanted it for....only to then see it sell for $50 or $100 more. And you know what, almost every time I realized later....I was dumb for not paying that little bit of extra money for it.
With experience, you'll learn to pull the pull the trigger faster. After all, that was a sweet deal on this fancy model Schon.....$800 or $750....both were a great deal.
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cueaddicts said:
I agreed 100%....Lisa is great person to deal with...i had dealt w/ her before and i have no doubt again that i will deal w/ her again ......I think $800 for that high end schon is a steal.....
C and C
I'm sorry in no way did I mean you did anything wrong you seen a post and you responded to it for purchase of the cue.
My problem is with the seller, when I had offered her the $750 the post was dead for a month and the asking price was $1000, then Lisa went to the owner and said the owner will take $800 in a counter offer in a private message which I posted here with the time and date she sent it, the proper thing to do here would have been wait a reasonable amount of time say 24 hours before posting to forum for others to purchase, which she did not she waited a hole 11 minutes before posting it to the forum for the $800, less then 6 hours later when I logged on I responded to the private message not even looking at the thread and seeing she had posted it to the general public for that amount telling her I would take it for the $800 and offered to sell back to the owner when he got better. Like I said I'm sorry I made it sound like you did some thing wrong when you did not.
Another thing I find funny I have seen her on the forums several times since all this took place and I had sent her a PM before I ever posted here on the forums asking what the deal was, she has never replied to me, when a lot of this could be solved with Hey Sean I'm sorry I really screwed up here and I truly didn't mean to screw you like this, but she doesn't do this she just ignores it and tries to let other people justify what she did and there is no justification for it. Also the proper thing to do would be send you a message C and C and say sorry I really should complete the transaction with 21Gambler as I had offered it to him prior to posting it to the forum. Do I feel bad I'm not getting the cue YES I DO, I guess it just wasn't meant for me to have this cue, life goes on. Do I feel bad the guy in the hospital is getting money he really needs NO I DONT, I for one am glad the cue is sold which it wasn't being with a over month old dead thread, but thats another issue all together. There are other cues and other good deals out there, matter a fact I just acquired a few more cues last night ( Thank you so much Ed was great dealing with you ), Like I said my main problem was with how Lisa conducted herself which reflects bad on all AZ people, its just not a proper way of dong business. Enjoy the cue C and C once again I am sorry for making you feel as you did some thing wrong.
c and c said:
I'm sorry in no way did I mean you did anything wrong you seen a post and you responded to it for purchase of the cue.
My problem is with the seller, when I had offered her the $750 the post was dead for a month and the asking price was $1000, then Lisa went to the owner and said the owner will take $800 in a counter offer in a private message which I posted here with the time and date she sent it, the proper thing to do here would have been wait a reasonable amount of time say 24 hours before posting to forum for others to purchase, which she did not she waited a hole 11 minutes before posting it to the forum for the $800, less then 6 hours later when I logged on I responded to the private message not even looking at the thread and seeing she had posted it to the general public for that amount telling her I would take it for the $800 and offered to sell back to the owner when he got better. Like I said I'm sorry I made it sound like you did some thing wrong when you did not.
Another thing I find funny I have seen her on the forums several times since all this took place and I had sent her a PM before I ever posted here on the forums asking what the deal was, she has never replied to me, when a lot of this could be solved with Hey Sean I'm sorry I really screwed up here and I truly didn't mean to screw you like this, but she doesn't do this she just ignores it and tries to let other people justify what she did and there is no justification for it. Also the proper thing to do would be send you a message C and C and say sorry I really should complete the transaction with 21Gambler as I had offered it to him prior to posting it to the forum. Do I feel bad I'm not getting the cue YES I DO, I guess it just wasn't meant for me to have this cue, life goes on. Do I feel bad the guy in the hospital is getting money he really needs NO I DONT, I for one am glad the cue is sold which it wasn't being with a over month old dead thread, but thats another issue all together. There are other cues and other good deals out there, matter a fact I just acquired a few more cues last night ( Thank you so much Ed was great dealing with you ), Like I said my main problem was with how Lisa conducted herself which reflects bad on all AZ people, its just not a proper way of dong business. Enjoy the cue C and C once again I am sorry for making you feel as you did some thing wrong.
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