middleofnowhere
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I was going to respond to this on something I thought you had said yesterday. Did you edit the text of your post?
Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?
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Great analysis. Happy to see so many examples. I don't know why so many people are saying that Yapp knew it was a foul. He has the look of I know that was close so waiting to hear. He probably thought it was a foul but not for him to decide. Hard to see everything. I played a delicate kick into 2 of my tied up stripes in a game and I expected 1 of the 2 stripes to hit a rail, but I could see neither one did. I said I think that was a foul, no rail, but my opponent and spectator said the cueball hit a rail after contact. He then kicked the ball in, so who needs ball in hand. Laugh.
Only the willfully obtuse are still claiming good hit. Worse than them, are the ones condemning Yapp. It’s a professional match, with a full time professional referee. You don’t call fouls on yourself, under those circumstances.
All of these things are true:
- According to people here who's opinion I trust Yapp is a good guy
- He is a phenomenal pool player
- It was a foul
- He has now been involved in two fouls in the last game of championship matches, one of which would have very likely changed the outcome
- There is no excuse for the referees to get this wrong any more except for the largely "oh well" attitude from us, the viewers
i think you do if you feel you touched a ball, imo. ref can't always see what you feel. this call otoh was 100% for the ref to make
If the ref makes the right call, it’s 9 to 5, with FSR breaking. Is he a favorite from there, obviously not. Is he capable of winning the next five racks, obviously yes.
uk_9_ball_convert
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Coming from a British cue sports background I think you should call fouls on yourself even when there is a referee. We always do on league nights if we think we've fouled even when the referee doesn't call it and pro snooker players have often called fouls on themselves when the ref has missed it or alerted the referee if they feel the balls haven't been replaced properly and they've gained an advantage. Appreciate every culture is different, but I wouldn't want to win that way.
I am willing to give Yapp the benefit of the doubt that maybe he was uncertain himself, which would be one way you could interpret his facial expression.
Railbird-2026
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FOUL
Railbird-2026
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He know it was a bad it...
If the refs do not know the cue ball physics exactly what do they think they are watching for? What do they believe that they will see with the naked eye that will have a bearing on the call either way??? The sanctioning body really needs to look at that and ask the same question before selecting refs. As far as I know everyvjob onb the
"Tannoy", I had to look that up, I had no idea what that was.
Somebody announcing the winner should not influence her call whatsoever. If everyone in the crown yelled "foul" is she obligated to then call a foul??
I agree on the snooker culture point and I have advocated on here that pool needs a culture shift in this regard. Regularly calling touches of the ball, or double hits etc. But those are things the player can feel.
I’m not sure what a snooker player would do in this situation. I mentioned in the other thread someone (Murphy I think) asking the referee to watch a replay of the shot to ensure he had hit the correct ball first (no foul was called initially). The ref watched it and it was a good hit. But I don’t know what he does (or should do) if the referee watches it back and says it was good and Murphy thinks the video shows he hit the wrong ball first. He might tell the ref “I think I hit the wrong ball first and fouled” but if the ref says no what do you do? At some point isn’t it the ref’s call on such an issue?
i think the ref should call based on what he sees of the hit and not the way the cue ball rolled. if they want that and this shot was a clear foul, then you need to have a camera. no camera then ref makes his call based on what he sees of the hit.
other wise ref calls what he sees, is fair for both sides. it can work for you or against you. that has been how pool was reffed forever.
other wise the hit becomes more subjective from the ref. even though some shots like this are clear. but only from the after roll of the cueball.
other wise ref calls what he sees, is fair for both sides. it can work for you or against you. that has been how pool was reffed forever.
other wise the hit becomes more subjective from the ref. even though some shots like this are clear. but only from the after roll of the cueball.
middleofnowhere
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I beat Buddy Hall in a match trailing 2 to 7. In a race to 11. Things out of nowhere can just all of a sudden turn around. With players of that caliber, it don't take much. FSR as you call him could have without a doubt won that match. Hell, he might have run out the rest of the set. But will never know will we.
They don't understand pool or billiards at all, let them come close to the balls & squint their eyes into the two object balls to determine fouls, even more funnier let them play slow-mo of the shots to see which ball moved first which is hilarious.
I laugh so hard whenever I see live-match where a referee come very close to balls and squint at them to determine fouls, they are so funny when they do this plus it also shows me that they got zero knowledge about pool. I can literally sit a mile away and look at the balls & cue-ball to tell you if its good hit or bad hit, I dont need to squint or come close to the balls, thats just too dumb when refs do this, sorry.
FWIW, I've met and played against Aloysius. He's always been nothing short of a gentleman and class act. I'll always give someone (especially someone like Aloysius) the benefit of the doubt in that situation. He was definitely waiting for the ref's call, but I'm confident that he wasn't sure if he had fouled or not.
I'll answer this, they usually squint their eyes & bend their knees to come closer to the balls in order to see which one was hit first!!!!!!!!!! which is absolutely lunatic, ludicrous, and laughably stupid.
All you need is to look for what the cueball is doing next; that's all you want to look for.
If the Ref sees the CB going off the tangent line of the 8 ball last, then they ARE calling what they see. Referees should have the highest level of knowledge of anyone when it comes to knowing how to tell a good hit from a bad one. In your theory, all Yapp had to do was hit the balls 100 miles an hour, then nobody could "see" which ball was hit first (or last)
I have neither met nor played with Aloysius. I accept that he’s an honourable players and was waiting for the ref’s call.
However, I find it hard to believe he didn’t know he fouled. If most informed amateurs believed he fouled, I think he knows as much as they do and also believed he hit the 4 first.
That said, I do believe he felt that it was up to the referee and the referee called it good so he accepted the referee’s decision. As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m not sure what a player is supposed to do in Yapp’s position, except maybe suggesting the referee look at it on video (if permitted).