Possibly but who knows? We all know it takes high speed cameras at the correct angles to capture anything conclusive. Nobody even mentioned fraud yet. All the possibilities loom. 1000 pages of nothing anyone?
Yapp winning, with a foul! Just like Maradona making a goal with his hands :D
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The most noteworthy time that a disgruntled player got a video review in a major spot was in the 2007 World 9ball semifinal between Darryl Peach and Francisco Bustamante.
On what appeared to a match ending kick carom of the 9ball by Bustamante, Darryl Peach was visibly upset, and a video review took place that, ultimately, led to a determination that a bad hit was made by Bustamante. Peach was awarded ball in hand and went on to win and advance to the final.
Here's the footage. Time stamp 1:36:20.
It all comes down to this. When someone feels a video review is warranted, it can be requested. In the case of the 2025 US Open 9ball, nobody requested it.
On what appeared to a match ending kick carom of the 9ball by Bustamante, Darryl Peach was visibly upset, and a video review took place that, ultimately, led to a determination that a bad hit was made by Bustamante. Peach was awarded ball in hand and went on to win and advance to the final.
Here's the footage. Time stamp 1:36:20.
It all comes down to this. When someone feels a video review is warranted, it can be requested. In the case of the 2025 US Open 9ball, nobody requested it.
would have taken 2-3 minutes now you would think, with better technology. but it's not clear whether darryl was asking for the review or if it was the ref?
either way i was always impressed with that win. darryl was a tough cookie. be interesting to see if the upcoming philippines open will be as lively and tribal
I remember that game too, also the soft break was prolific back then.
He did amazing well, to finish it, considering how long the review took.
Who is to say what would of happened in this final, if it was seen in the arena.
A review, or not? With the shot clock still going whats the ref going to do.
Its live, tons of pressure, Anyway it was a great final,
He did amazing well, to finish it, considering how long the review took.
Who is to say what would of happened in this final, if it was seen in the arena.
A review, or not? With the shot clock still going whats the ref going to do.
Its live, tons of pressure, Anyway it was a great final,
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I'm not sure either, buy Darryl was visibly mad, and it may have contributed to the decision to review the shot. As the match was played in the Philippines, it seemed like a hometown call for Bustamante, but I'll always give the refs credit for reviewing it on that occasion.
I'm just kicking around the question of "when does a shot merit review?" and this historic Peach vs Bustamante World 9ball semifinal match is worthy of consideration when thinking about it.
By "someone" do you mean the players too? Is this in the Match room rules anywhere (didn't see it); maybe discussed at a players meeting?
From the rules I see*, no mention of video, the only thing w/regards to appeals is:
If Table Referees are in charge of the matches, there shall be no right for either player to ask for a second opinion; the referees are in sole charge of the matches and their decision is final.* https://matchroompool.com/wp-content/uploads/World-Nineball-Tour-Event-Rules-1.pdf
Thanks for the info. Sounds like, even if Fedor had seen what happened, there may have been no recourse here unless the referee felt a video review was needed.
Oddly enough, I saw a second opinion requested by and granted to Mike Dechaine at the 2016 US Open 9ball event. Without getting into the details, Mike felt Dennis Grabe had committed a foul, and Dennis did not. The call, made by an official that had not seen the shot, went Mike's way and I remember that Dennis felt that Mike had gotten a hometown call. Of course, this was before Matchroom had taken over the US Open 9ball.
Perhaps procedures for situations like the one at the 2025 US Open 9ball need revision.
Where was the ref standing?
I think I read he was not in a proper position?
Nonetheless, I don't think one standing 1m+ away would have been able to discern that movement.
I still am of the opinion a shooter wouldn't have noticed it either.
I am a firm believe that if you are 3.5 feets away, you will definitely see stuff moving if it did