Possibly but who knows? We all know it takes high speed cameras at the correct angles to capture anything conclusive. Nobody even mentioned fraud yet. All the possibilities loom. 1000 pages of nothing anyone?
Yapp winning, with a foul! Just like Maradona making a goal with his hands :D
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The most noteworthy time that a disgruntled player got a video review in a major spot was in the 2007 World 9ball semifinal between Darryl Peach and Francisco Bustamante.
On what appeared to a match ending kick carom of the 9ball by Bustamante, Darryl Peach was visibly upset, and a video review took place that, ultimately, led to a determination that a bad hit was made by Bustamante. Peach was awarded ball in hand and went on to win and advance to the final.
Here's the footage. Time stamp 1:36:20.
It all comes down to this. When someone feels a video review is warranted, it can be requested. In the case of the 2025 US Open 9ball, nobody requested it.
On what appeared to a match ending kick carom of the 9ball by Bustamante, Darryl Peach was visibly upset, and a video review took place that, ultimately, led to a determination that a bad hit was made by Bustamante. Peach was awarded ball in hand and went on to win and advance to the final.
Here's the footage. Time stamp 1:36:20.
It all comes down to this. When someone feels a video review is warranted, it can be requested. In the case of the 2025 US Open 9ball, nobody requested it.
would have taken 2-3 minutes now you would think, with better technology. but it's not clear whether darryl was asking for the review or if it was the ref?
either way i was always impressed with that win. darryl was a tough cookie. be interesting to see if the upcoming philippines open will be as lively and tribal
I remember that game too, also the soft break was prolific back then.
He did amazing well, to finish it, considering how long the review took.
Who is to say what would of happened in this final, if it was seen in the arena.
A review, or not? With the shot clock still going whats the ref going to do.
Its live, tons of pressure, Anyway it was a great final,
He did amazing well, to finish it, considering how long the review took.
Who is to say what would of happened in this final, if it was seen in the arena.
A review, or not? With the shot clock still going whats the ref going to do.
Its live, tons of pressure, Anyway it was a great final,
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I'm not sure either, buy Darryl was visibly mad, and it may have contributed to the decision to review the shot. As the match was played in the Philippines, it seemed like a hometown call for Bustamante, but I'll always give the refs credit for reviewing it on that occasion.
I'm just kicking around the question of "when does a shot merit review?" and this historic Peach vs Bustamante World 9ball semifinal match is worthy of consideration when thinking about it.
By "someone" do you mean the players too? Is this in the Match room rules anywhere (didn't see it); maybe discussed at a players meeting?
From the rules I see*, no mention of video, the only thing w/regards to appeals is:
If Table Referees are in charge of the matches, there shall be no right for either player to ask for a second opinion; the referees are in sole charge of the matches and their decision is final.* https://matchroompool.com/wp-content/uploads/World-Nineball-Tour-Event-Rules-1.pdf
Thanks for the info. Sounds like, even if Fedor had seen what happened, there may have been no recourse here unless the referee felt a video review was needed.
Oddly enough, I saw a second opinion requested by and granted to Mike Dechaine at the 2016 US Open 9ball event. Without getting into the details, Mike felt Dennis Grabe had committed a foul, and Dennis did not. The call, made by an official that had not seen the shot, went Mike's way and I remember that Dennis felt that Mike had gotten a hometown call. Of course, this was before Matchroom had taken over the US Open 9ball.
Perhaps procedures for situations like the one at the 2025 US Open 9ball need revision.
Where was the ref standing?
I think I read he was not in a proper position?
Nonetheless, I don't think one standing 1m+ away would have been able to discern that movement.
I still am of the opinion a shooter wouldn't have noticed it either.
I am a firm believe that if you are 3.5 feets away, you will definitely see stuff moving if it did
If you don't like the thread, why post in it? The reason this thread is important is that discussion of what happened at the US Open 9ball on Sunday might point the way for the governing bodies of pool to revise rules, officiating procedures, and appeals processes to make the game better.
I'm inclined to agree with you here, but the question that arises is "where should the ref have been positioned in a situation like this one?"
OK, I agree with you that this should not have been the focus and I have made it clear in this thread that all should hail our deserving champion. Yapp won the US Open 9ball fair and square.
That said, the thread has now evolved into a discussion of officiating procedures and player appeal rights, and I feel that discussion of these issues is quite important.
Somewhere he had the best view of the area where the likelihood of a foul was the highest. If Yapp had been bending over a ball, the ref would have watched his shirt like a hawk to spot a touch. In this case, the most likely place for a foul to occur was where Yapp had to hold his cue extremely close to the 9. Certainly a teachable moment for the ref, but it looks like the whole thing will be swept under the rug and the opportunity will be missed.
Then who is? His "high profile screwups" are all with Americans involved ... JJ, oh he should have told him the clock was running. SVB, oh the great Doctor RECREATED a video where he developed scenarios that proved the call was wrong, even though Dr. Dave did not make any conclusion of his own per my memory AND the fact that Marcel was in the "correct position" to view the shot and DID review the ACTUAL video before finalizing the call. Then you have Sky questioning a double hit call, where the commentators seemed to agree with Marcel. And then the Yapp incident, where the 9 ball did not move or the movement would have defied the laws of physics IF it happened.
All the Dr. Know opinions that the 9 ball moved, but no slow mo, mo jo or whatever showed the cue stick touching the 9 ball.
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