Yes, it's another Kevin Varney thread!

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No Illusions said:
Exactly! BillYards you are clearly an honorable man. I told everyone not too long ago that I've recently been to KV's and seen all the cues. The curly in mine is nuts! He'll produce all the cues I can't state that bold enough. A friend down on his luck and working hard but all the haters just want to bash. On the way home from a local tourny fri nite his shop lites were on at 2am.
Something to be said for not upsetting the man thats cooking your food.


i'm sure he is making the cues and if given enough time he'd get them all out. but the truth is that more than likely these people might not even want their cues anymore. some of them might even have fallen on hard times and need their cash back. maybe at the time they had more disposable income but the times changed for some of these people that was over a year ago
 
No Illusions said:
Exactly! BillYards you are clearly an honorable man. I told everyone not too long ago that I've recently been to KV's and seen all the cues. The curly in mine is nuts! He'll produce all the cues I can't state that bold enough. A friend down on his luck and working hard but all the haters just want to bash. On the way home from a local tourny fri nite his shop lites were on at 2am.
Something to be said for not upsetting the man thats cooking your food.


i also wanted to bring up that he didn't get this far behind over night. it wasn't a huge surprise. so why all the sudden is he working harder than he was? because attention was drawn to the problem. i just wanted to add that i ordered a cue from KV feb 07 which still hasn't been completed (i'm not waiting for it anymore i got out of this trap). thats 13 months

any cuemakers on here want to tell me how long it would take them to make a 4 point cue no veneers with wrap?
 
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Kev has had some situations no doubt.Some good,some bad and some bad again.All time consuming...that much I'm sure of....

While anyone can understand that (I'd hope) he needs to also understand that this situation (while fostered and fueled by those circumstances) did not create this state of dissatisfaction.

I know he has made some changes in his ordering status and foward thinking like that will prove to his favor as time passes.

BUT,looking at the "right now" with some good honest communcation will keep the hole from getting deeper....even he thinks its to dam deep to bother.

I wish him the best and I don't know him....what I "think" I know is he is in a jam...some of his making,exaggerted by circumstance for sure,and handled poorly to date based on what I read.
 
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alright erick you think i'm whining? how about this. the guy that took my place in the varney trap paid for 2 cues 100% up front. this is the picture of the cue i ordered from varney. it's almost finished in the picture as you can see. the picture was mailed to me october 20 2007. you tell me why this poor guy can't get the cue he paid for???????????????????????



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/poolplayer2093/071018_a-1.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/poolplayer2093/071018_b.jpg

at this point of completion why hasn't he gotten the cue yet?

the cue doesn't look to be another 6 months away from completion to me
 
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please a cue maker tell me from the picture is this cue 6 months from completion???????????
 
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Don't people realize that threads like these act as a deterant for other cuemakers and all other pool related online businesses or even random guys selling a used cue to get any idea in their head about screwing someone? Or not following through on a promise?

Threads like these and Jay's Actionhound thread are my all-time faves because I know that they are making the pool world more honest which benefits EVERYONE. If a flaky person gets hurt because of actions they did in the process then they had it coming and it is for the greater good.

I bought The break rak and banking with the beard in total confidence that they as members of the forum would never dream of stiffing me or delaying shipment. I absolutely loved both products!

I plan on ordering a custom cue this year and it will be from someone who has a good rep you better believe it.
 
BPG24 said:
Banning him from AZ is the only acceptable action IMO.

get rid of the problem, not people's reaction to the problem. Anyone with a brain should be able to figure that out.

From what I understand, for most of his customers this is their only means of contacting him.

Why would you want to take away their only means of communicating with KV?

Perhaps when and if he completes and delivers all of the cues that are on order banning him from further business dealings would be a solution, but certainly not before. IMO

Steve
 
sde said:
From what I understand, for most of his customers this is their only means of contacting him.

Why would you want to take away their only means of communicating with KV?

Perhaps when and if he completes and delivers all of the cues that are on order banning him from further business dealings would be a solution, but certainly not before. IMO

Steve

Steve, you are certainly right, and I totally agree with the following:

Perhaps when and if he completes and delivers all of the cues that are on order banning him from further business dealings would be a solution, but certainly not before. IMO

very good point!!!!!
 
sde said:
From what I understand, for most of his customers this is their only means of contacting him.

Why would you want to take away their only means of communicating with KV?

Perhaps when and if he completes and delivers all of the cues that are on order banning him from further business dealings would be a solution, but certainly not before. IMO

Steve

I disagree with your thoughts. Mainly because he isn't communicating with them even through here. If I am considering sending someone my money for goods and they won't give me their personal contact info than I am out...

His irresponsibility and failure to learn and adapt from previous mistakes in communication say alot about the type of guy he is. He needs to offer a refund to all of those who he has lied to and anyone else who he has been avoiding at all costs. Then ban him
 
Luxury said:
Don't people realize that threads like these act as a deterant for other cuemakers and all other pool related online businesses or even random guys selling a used cue to get any idea in their head about screwing someone? Or not following through on a promise?

Yeah...threads like this are a deterrent.

Just look at how many cuemakers and pool players now avoid this forum altogether. I've been a reader on and off of this forum since it's inception, and participation from the top professionals in the industry has steadily declined.

Is it really necessary to have half a dozen "Bash Kevin Varney" threads running simultaneously? I don't think so.:(
 
with all the cuemakers out there you go and pick the one that has the most negative feedback and horror stories imaginable

lol
 
Roadkill said:
Yeah...threads like this are a deterrent.

Just look at how many cuemakers and pool players now avoid this forum altogether. I've been a reader on and off of this forum since it's inception, and participation from the top professionals in the industry has steadily declined.

Is it really necessary to have half a dozen "Bash Kevin Varney" threads running simultaneously? I don't think so.:(

Now really why would a cuemaker avoid this forum with hundereds of potential customers because of threads where other cuemakers get called out for bad business practices? If it's because they are afraid they are going to get called out because of THEIR bad business practices then we don't want them here anyway. That's the whole point of deterring crooks n flakes.
 
Luxury said:
Now really why would a cuemaker avoid this forum with hundereds of potential customers because of threads where other cuemakers get called out for bad business practices? If it's because they are afraid they are going to get called out because of THEIR bad business practices then we don't want them here anyway. That's the whole point of deterring crooks n flakes.

You must have missed the let's all thrash Earl Strickland Fiesta a few months back. I guess he deserved it too...
 
Well the intent of this thread was simple info gathering, not bashing. So far I think the count of customers who've heard nothing since KV's latest promise to customers who have been contacted is 3 to 1.

I'm not surprised it's become a "bashing" thread as the handful of KV supporters flock with their illogical arguments that those of us unhappy with KV's services then refute and voila, it's a bashing thread.

I think these threads are very useful, as it does serve to help others decide which cuemakers to go with and which to avoid. One issue I've had with AZBilliards in my short time here is it often seems as though everyone is scratching everyone else's back all the time.

With very rare exceptions, there's hardly a bad word said about anyone or any cue--every cue is lights out, fantastic, yadda yadda. And of course one reason is that everyone is buying and selling cues and to disparage a cue is to disparage a buddy or to hurt your own cue's resale value. So it doesn't happen.

My contributions to these threads hurts myself, too. I have a spot in KV's line that I probably could have sold pretty quickly a month ago, but now I can hardly get a response. If I get the cue rather than a refund then its resale value will be hurt significantly if KV is no longer a "hot" name. I just feel it's better for people to know what's going on rather than keep a fake smile on my face for all passerbys while I fume on the inside.
 
BPG24 said:
I disagree with your thoughts. Mainly because he isn't communicating with them even through here. Yes he is communicating, whether anyone agrees with his style, he is communicating. Read the KV quotes that I posted here. That is communication like it or not. IMO http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=1180706&postcount=11 If I am considering sending someone my money for goods and they won't give me their personal contact info than I am out... I agree with this 100%

His irresponsibility and failure to learn and adapt from previous mistakes in communication say alot about the type of guy he is. Again I agree. He needs to offer a refund to all of those who he has lied to and anyone else who he has been avoiding at all costs. That is an option that I should have included in my post that you quoted.Then ban himWorks for me.

You see, we are not that far off from being in complete agreement.

Trust me when I say that I am no big fan of KV, but all this bashing serves no purpose in resolving the problem of cues and $$$ owed. KV is the only one who can resolve the problem (save the court system or some other, possibly illegal means of recovery).

IMO the only good to come from these bash Varney threads is to alert possible new buyers from entering into this mess.

Steve
 
sde said:
You see, we are not that far off from being in complete agreement.

Trust me when I say that I am no big fan of KV, but all this bashing serves no purpose in resolving the problem of cues and $$$ owed. KV is the only one who can resolve the problem (save the court system or some other, possibly illegal means of recovery).

IMO the only good to come from these bash Varney threads is to alert possible new buyers from entering into this mess.

Steve

I disagree that serving as an alert to new customers is the only good thing. These threads put pressure on KV. If he wants his name to be in good standing, he needs to conduct himself in such a way that it will be. If he continues to clutch to people's money while not delivering what he promised or instead of being a reasonable business person and offering a refund, then he will cost himself a lot more money in lost business than what he's stubbornly held onto.
 
Rocket354 said:
Well the intent of this thread was simple info gathering, not bashing. So far I think the count of customers who've heard nothing since KV's latest promise to customers who have been contacted is 3 to 1.

I'm not surprised it's become a "bashing" thread as the handful of KV supporters flock with their illogical arguments that those of us unhappy with KV's services then refute and voila, it's a bashing thread.

I think these threads are very useful, as it does serve to help others decide which cuemakers to go with and which to avoid. One issue I've had with AZBilliards in my short time here is it often seems as though everyone is scratching everyone else's back all the time.

With very rare exceptions, there's hardly a bad word said about anyone or any cue--every cue is lights out, fantastic, yadda yadda. And of course one reason is that everyone is buying and selling cues and to disparage a cue is to disparage a buddy or to hurt your own cue's resale value. So it doesn't happen.

My contributions to these threads hurts myself, too. I have a spot in KV's line that I probably could have sold pretty quickly a month ago, but now I can hardly get a response. If I get the cue rather than a refund then its resale value will be hurt significantly if KV is no longer a "hot" name. I just feel it's better for people to know what's going on rather than keep a fake smile on my face for all passerbys while I fume on the inside.

You may be right...but i have seen VERY FEW SPECIFIC posts regarding actual customers who have been ripped off by Kevin. Kevin made a post a few days ago explaining the delays and indicated that EVERYONE will get their cues as promised. He was at the Smoky Mountain Shoot-Out a couple of weeks ago and is NOT HIDING from anyone.
 
Roadkill said:
Yeah...threads like this are a deterrent.

Just look at how many cuemakers and pool players now avoid this forum altogether. I've been a reader on and off of this forum since it's inception, and participation from the top professionals in the industry has steadily declined.

Is it really necessary to have half a dozen "Bash Kevin Varney" threads running simultaneously? I don't think so.:(


The question is "why are there so many bash kevin varney" threads to begin with. are there really that many people waiting? could it be that each one represents an unhappy customer?
 
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