You get what you pay for!

realkingcobra said:
Yeah, you and about a 100 more people too😅😂🤣
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Does corruption or bribery work? There might be a motorcycle pen involved. Might make it for you anyway..... but you have to promise not to use spray glue on my cloth. Promise?
 

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realkingcobra said:
First off, I don't take "dumps" in customers homes, could be tempted to if I don't like you, but if that was the case, you wouldn't have been able to hire me in the first place. As far as sky-high prices, I have no idea what that means, I charge fair rates, and even cheaper than a lot of my competitors, difference is, my work is not junk.

If you're talking about my prices to rebuild rails as well as tables, they're much less than the cost of buying a new table, and that price depends on what I'm having to rebuild
I charge $550 to recover 7ft Diamonds with 860HR and $600 for Diamond 9fts. I charge $400 for standard Valley bar tables using Strachan Superweave, which also happens to include scraping off all the spray glue, vacuuming out the table, and leveling it, NO EXTRA charge.

So, I'm extremely high priced? No, I'm just not working for a hacks labor rate!
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Those prices compared to what I hear being charged around here are VERY cheap!
 
realkingcobra said:
Chicken and Dr. Pepper work the best🤣😂😅
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realkingcobra said:
Chicken and Dr. Pepper work the best🤣😂😅
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Here's my offer aside from your more than reasonable fees.
A bottle (or can) of Dr. P
Chicken (wings, legs, or tits.. I mean breasts.)
2 napkins
plastic fork
Pen holder with your choice of ball. Pen maybe included w/2 sheets of cheap ass writing paper,
 

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GoldCrown said:
Here's my offer aside from your more than reasonable fees.
A bottle (or can) of Dr. P
Chicken (wings, legs, or tits.. I mean breasts.)
2 napkins
plastic fork
Pen holder with your choice of ball. Pen maybe included w/2 sheets of cheap ass writing paper,
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😅😂🤣
 
snookered_again said:
pool often brings out a variety of personality types and backgrounds. I tend to need to know the "why" , other than fast he claims the tables he is covering have particleboard rails that are damaged by repeat stapling. I know that's probably how many are being made now.

I personally hate the stuff, my house and everything in it is free of particleboard and most plastics. , If I find an object made from it I get rid of it and I love antiques. when I restore antiques I like to try to use more traditional methods where they make sense, as an example Id never put polyurethane on an antique.

I may even use tacks and a tack hammer in preference of a upholstery stapler if the antique predated staples. come to think of it my table actually may predate automatic staple guns, which is why I found a few, and traces of many others ..

An upholsterer of that time period would put tacks in his mouth and spit them out one at a time onto a magnetized tack hammer. This was to free his hands. he can't tension the cloth and use two hands to hold a tack and drive it.
the antidote to swallowing staples is to eat a bunch of cotton batten. Upholsterers of the time were very fast at spitting staples. That's probably original to my table although Id' likely resort to using a modern stapler, since they are unseen and perhaps less damaging. Im doing some chairs of the same era and for those I did buy tacks because I want to follow the original practices. No plastics, horehair , hemp rope, webbing, leather, silk wool, metal was used for springs and tacks.

all they had were products that were biodegradable. Original practices of the day used no plastics as they weren't invented. If we were to use the same practices today we wouldn't be tossing plastic from furniture into landfills and we continue to do it to date at a very high rate.

I have a professional upholsterer across my alley, he does it all day long and on weekends he does some projects at home for others. hes good at what he does but he only works on modern junk furniture foam and plywood and real garbage. he often asks me to fix various things and we have a good rapport so I showed him the old english armchair in doing. its almost exactly the same as the one used on "the christmos carol" quite rare now. A pretty advanced project for a beginner. I watched a ton of videos on that, Its been interesting to learn about. It took so long that i slid it aside, I just needed time with other projects and dont care to rush it along. I came to the realization my neighbor cant; really help with it or if he did he's automatically resort to using foam and tacks and modern techniques. there is no money or profit in this sort of restoration its purely a labor of love but something I enjoy.



TKC did say that the particleboard degradation is his reasoning for the use of spray glue. That at least gave me the "why" on that and it helped me understand his perspective. He's not able to choose better quality rails, the ones he has there are made similar to a modern kitchen countertop where particleboard and a vinyl cover are heated and pressed into shape in a factory. ive seen quite a few such tables later suffer from the laminate delaminating from the particleboard. the other issue with particleboard is if it gets wet it suffers from elaphantisis. a pool table shouldnt get wet but then someone can have a spill or a sprinkler can get triggered. things happen, it may be stored where humidity isn't ideal and suffer from that. It just is what it is, Ikea quality, likely but not necessarily made in china type products.

and he has to recover a table in a time which is acceptable to his customers. He can't afford to use techniques a museum may use in antique restoration, It has to be done in a number of hours, not days. This is not a labor of love it's a business and likely a difficult one due to many getting rid of tables.

Im seeing free tables here every week, one was just posted with a guy who was upset because of people saying they wanted and walking away. he had pics of a partially disassembled vintage 1 piece slate and it looked like the people who were taking it for free walked away after realizing the weight they were up against. they arent; going to hire apool table mover, the thing is worthless. I've seen several offers of very nice snooker tables lately, no one has room, so many are being dumped now.

His techniques reflect reasonable choices considering his options. I believe he has some experience under his belt. I don't think these same techniques apply to every situation.
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I didn't read the whole thread so this may have been addressed. Glen (RealKingCobra) is one of the top table guys in the whole country. He trains other mechanics on how to install cloth, and came up with better ways of doing it than the traditional staples. The way he is using glue is much different than what you are describing with "spray glue". He even had the Diamond factory switch to his method 20 years ago, and now all Diamond tables since (both at the factory and in the field for re-clothing) are installed this way. Suggesting he watch other youtube videos (which for the most part are all garbage information on tables) is like telling an Architect with 40 years experience to watch a youtube video of a 10 year old drawing a house with crayons.
 
I don't post much, but I got the distinct impression that a large portion of snookered again's post were a bunch of Chat GBT generated "wordiness" rather than anything like intelligent discussion. Could be wrong, but it seemed like Chat-bot trolling...
 
snookered_again said:
I real lots of other posts in this forum and evidently you have a habit of being very rude and it's not only directed at me. Its hard to tell if you are drunk or need a drink or or if its the glue or some people just get mean and rude as they enter their senior years. I've known people from the auto body industry that were affected like this. and also people with lead poisoning they turn angry towards people they are in contact with. you should check with your doctor, this sort of anger is often an early sign of dimensia. some of these things can be tested for.

we were only discussing the method you use to attach cloth to rails and you were spraying glue all over the place in the video. Yes you failed to even use a dropsheet so you couldn't take it outside , so you were working over your own glue fumes unnecessarily until you stripped that cloth. If you just put a piece of paper or plastic down you could let that overspray off-gass outside your work area shop. huffing glue isnt; good for your brain and you are doing this on a continual basis.

no I didn't think you could reuse the cloth on the table underneath after you made a mess all over it. , I was just a bit surprised because anything that soaks through is a mess to clean up or it will cause the next cloth to sit in it.

when a ball hits a rail the cloth shouldn't be glued down to the rubber, it should be able to lift a little or move when balls hit it. if the cloth is stuck down to the rubber then all the crud that penetrates the cloth will get stuck there. chalk and general dust. what will happen is they get dirty on the edges faster and need replacing. this isn't a normal practice.

the two are meant to be independant not bonded together. although you seem to be getting away with that , its just sloppy mickey mouse workmanship.

I'm sure an experienced pool table mechanic would realize the dynamics of that. impregnating the backside of your rail cloth is just poor workmanship and its really unnecessary. If you want to spray that cloth you could at least protect the cloth that covers the cushion from overspray. I'm surprised you failed to understand that.

there probably isn't much point in explaining all this because your mind is closed. you think you know it all to the point where you dont even care to watch a few videos to see how your work compares to other who are professionals and who are doing the same thing.

There is no one so stupid as those who choose to be. You seem to have closed your mind to any new learning opportunities. I hope to never become like that at any age. Ive met many elders who are very kind nice people, a lot of my hobbies involve elders and for the most part I enjoy their company and appreciate that they tend to have some enthusiasm and most are quite kind.

Ive also spent time in care homes and met many who become verbally emotionally and physically abusive. there is no shame in discussing this with your doctor. Your are displaying signs of something not very normal going on. Maybe some is preventable. I have a friend who is looking after someone dying of to much whiskey. he loves the stuff , now hes basically starving, no desire to eat, the doctor says if he doesn't keep drinking he will die, the shock of withdrawl will kill him.

the guy is living in a trailer with my neighbor visiting, hes not even able to make it to the washroom or walk. its a sad situation. I hope you can get a handle on things as I mean no harm. Is discussing the way you glue pool cloth down worth such anger?

you obviously arent; going to listen to me, you could talk with others who are near you, the best is the doctor, he can do some tests, People have a tendency to say "I'm alright" esecailly with mental health issues. Its become clear even just reading your posts. something is wrong. , those close to you may have much better insight. I bet you reject anyone's input at this point.
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If you know how to set up tables you would know that glue does not go on any part of the cloth that touches the balls. As far as reusing cloth after it has been glued down you can absolutely do that, I had to lift up half of my6 cloth that was glued down to repair a split seam, reglued back down without any problems and it will never be seen until its time to put new cloth on again.
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fastone371 said:
If you know how to set up tables you would know that glue does not go on any part of the cloth that touches the balls. As far as reusing cloth after it has been glued down you can absolutely do that, I had to lift up half of my6 cloth that was glued down to repair a split seam, reglued back down without any problems and it will never be seen until its time to put new cloth on again.
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That table is fn beautiful
 
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