"you shoot to slow"

opcoog13 said:
For a couple reasons.
One,I am playing in a game that's out of line for the sake of playing and trying to improve.
Two,my opponent is one of the biggest people to point out others that shark players.
Three,I see no possible motive in saying this when we have just begun the first game of a set.
I do not mind when I lose.I just think there are things that should not be said to opponents during a money match.
I know my limitations and don't mind being told.but not at that time.

That is just my opinion.thanks for the replies.
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You seem to completely blow off everything that's been said here and go back to your excuses. This is exactly what I was talking about. You're not going to get much better as long as everything is somebody else's fault, that includes dealing with distractions during a game.
 
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If a little comment like he made has you this upset, you better just quit right now. That's nothing to sweat about. It did not sound like a shark to me, and it is probably true. There's an old saying, 'If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch'.
 
Two sides to every coin:

OP: I absolutely believe this was a comment from your opponent meant to "get into your head"...and if it were said to me (which I'm not a slow player) in the MIDDLE of a match as it was to you, I would have purposely slowed down even more! It sounds to me like this player knows you and your playing style and very easily could have said something prior to the match...or nothing at all since he's aware of your style.

Now, that's just my advice with regards to the sharking move...

With regards to what was actually said...take a deep breath...and take a look at it from the perspectives given so far in the thread. Perhaps you should take a look at how much time you spend on shots...but take a look at it during a practice session by yourself...see how long it takes you to play a rack. When I'm playing 9-Ball by myself, I know if I take any longer than 5 minutes, that's more than 30 seconds per shot on average...that's too long in my opinion...I aim for no more than 3 minutes. This isn't because I'm trying to SPEED through the rack, but it forces me to look at a shot, commit to it, and then pull the trigger... (It will obviously be a little longer with other games!)

Just my thoughts my friend! :)
 
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I dont mind slow play as long as my opponent is on a learning curve. We all have to learn to see patterns and stratagies. What gripes my butt is playing someone with 10, 15 or 20 years experience and they stand there and study the table for 1-2 minutes like they have never seen a pool table before. If you have been playing 10 years or more, you should be able to read the table in quick order. Not talking kick outs as these take extra time for many to adjust. Sometimes slow players with experience just do it to get under your skin. I can play the slowest player in the world an occasional game but I dont want to play slow players any more than I have to. We all have day jobs, pool is just a game. Speed her up.
 
Taking time and getting it right is one thing: need a smoke , need a beer, need to pee,
need to make a call, need to bull...t with rail birds and on and on taking five hours for three sets race to seven nine ball. That is not only slow but extremly rude. Like my time means nothing. Good guy just no fun to play.
 
blah blah said:
I won't gamble with a slow player, and it only takes one experience with that person to decide it. Why should I have to pay any portion of table time to watch someone stand there, changing their mind over and over? And even if I win, that table time takes up any winnings
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Loser pays table time...
 
opcoog13 said:
"thats why people don't want to gamble with you." How would you like to be told this 3 shots into a ONE POCKET match with a player that you "DID" have respect for and in a game that u r the stone cold underdog in. Hey, I want to get better and the only way to do so is play people better than you. Which usually means you are taking the worst of it since you are paying to "LEARN SOMETHING" from this individual.(I guess that is the idea that some people have).Well, what's going to be going thru your head after you are told this?I guess I am too weak minded to not let this affect me.But I did learn a valuable lesson,will never bother with said player again. From a person who talks about other people sharking, I just can't believe this would happen. Thats life in the POOL WORLD I guess.:mad:
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i hate playing players that play freaky slow. iv'e had to play players that turn a roadmap 3 ball out into a 5 min of concentration. its almost impossible to get in stroke. they dont' even have to run racks to get you out of stroke because the time it'd take a normal person to run 3-4 racks and they're only 3 balls into the 1st rack. it's extremely frustrating playing players like that
 
opcoog13 said:
"thats why people don't want to gamble with you." How would you like to be told this 3 shots into a ONE POCKET match with a player that you "DID" have respect for and in a game that u r the stone cold underdog in. Hey, I want to get better and the only way to do so is play people better than you. Which usually means you are taking the worst of it since you are paying to "LEARN SOMETHING" from this individual.(I guess that is the idea that some people have).Well, what's going to be going thru your head after you are told this?I guess I am too weak minded to not let this affect me.But I did learn a valuable lesson,will never bother with said player again. From a person who talks about other people sharking, I just can't believe this would happen. Thats life in the POOL WORLD I guess.:mad:
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I said pretty much the same thing to a guy in similar circumstances. I had the best of it; we'd play $10 a game; and the guy was putting me into a coma every time he came to the table. I kept trying to fade it until one day it was just too much. I started watching the clock and he'd regularly take a minute 15 to a minute 40 on almost every shot -- even those where I thought that there was only one obvious shot selection. (Just as a frame of reference, for $10 a game, most guys will either go straight to the shot, or look around for 20-30 seconds, unless you've put them in a death trap.) So, after sitting in the chair for a minute and half I just gently pushed an OB ball down table and said, "You're putting me in a coma. You shoot too slow. I'm done."

I mean, for $10 a game, you're supposed to be having fun, right?

The upshot is that this same guy watched me play another guy for $10 a game, where we're pretty much taking less than 20 seconds a shot and later he comes up and says, "You're right, I do shoot too slow. Guess I need to speed it up." And we've played several times since and it is no longer a problem.

Now, big money or a tournament is another deal and I can wait out an iceberg in those situations. But not for $10 a game.

Lou Figueroa
 
blah blah said:
I won't gamble with a slow player, and it only takes one experience with that person to decide it. Why should I have to pay any portion of table time to watch someone stand there, changing their mind over and over? And even if I win, that table time takes up any winnings- it's a bad bet and a really, really terrible time. Having "the best of it" odds- wise doesn't matter- the whole experience isn't enjoyable or worth the effort.

What gets me most about your post, though, is how angry you sound. I think that's the real issue, and I'm not sure how to respond to that.
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man ain't that the truth!!! it's almost impossible to get into stroke playing someone that plays slow. they suck all the fun out of the game and even the cash isn't enough to make me play them. mostly because even if i'm the better player i might not be able to play because i'll be cold every shot.

i played a guy a cheap set for 20 once and he was playing so slow i paid him off at the 2nd rack and quit.
 
i think the guy was just telling the truth
no need to get in your head

its no fun playing people that question every shot
think long think wrong

i recommend you quit gambling if little things like this bother you
 
It is a comment made by someone I respect.After it, I just kept thinking about how long I was taking to look at each shot I had. If it was someone I did not respect it would not have bothered me as much.I don't gamble with people who like to cause controversy. I play pool for enjoyment. Like the game, played in leagues for over 20 years. Try to help lesser players all the time.

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Wedge said:
Never let an opponent dictate at what speed you are playing...especially when you are in a learning phase of your game. If your opponent does not like it tuff S$$T.
Wedge
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Perfect answer Wedge
Scott Lee said:
To the OP...Here's another way to look at it. Quit gambling with this nit. Find a BETTER 1 pocket player, and PAY them for a playing lesson. You won't get an attitude, like this jerk, and you'll learn a whole lot more.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I cannot stand slow play, I played a 9 ball match the other night and the guy who was a very good player was taking 2-3 minutes on nearly every shot, it was torture. I won the match but geez it was brutal. In one pocket I know situations that come up that take some time to think over but for the most part if your taking 2-3 minutes on every shot your shooting slow then.
 
opcoog13 said:
I do not shoot slow. I definitely shoot faster than the best player that shoots in our pool hall.Does nick varner or allen hopkins shoot slow? I take less time than they do. One pocket is a game of strategy so u sometimes do have to study a table lay out for a minute or so.
And I am not crying,I took my ass whipping and stopped when I had enough. DID not say a word. But I will say that is the last time I will play that opponent. I do not tell people anything when I am gambling....not good shot, not u r a lucky SOB,none of that BS. I keep my mouth shut and I prefer the same.Talk afterwards. IF you have a problem with your opponent then UNSCREW.
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so you're saying that you taking extremely long to shoot shouldn't bother anyone because you're playing allen hopkins/nick varner like pool when you do?

you know what really pisses people off about slow players. everyone already knows what you're going to do before you finally decide to do it. then even though you've taken so long your make percentage stays about the same. so when you miss everyone thinks "i waited all that time just for him to shoot that shot and miss!!!"
 
Yeah I shoot slow...so what !! takes me an hour and a half to watch 60 minutes..but only a second to knock you out !! Okay just having fun..
 
1 - Don't gamble against people who you are a stone cold underdog against.

2 - If a comment like that throws you off your game you probably shouldn't be gambling.
 
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