Your opponent pockets a ball, but the ball jumps back out of the pocket

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ChrisBanks said:
Very good.

And thus, when a ball is pocketed, and it slips through the gutter and onto the floor, this is a foul. As the deciding factor is the resting place of the ball, and if the resting place is the floor, it is by rule a foul.

And, if the ball is pocketed, and slips out of the ball return and onto the floor, this is a foul as well. We simply use the final resting spot of the ball as the defining factor.
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In the rulings of the gully type tables, when a ball has left the table surface and is in motion within the gully and has no opportunity to return to the table surface, it is considered pocketed.
 
Your answer.

ChrisBanks said:
Am I?

Several people here have argued that we judge the shot based on where the object ball lands. If it lands on the table, the shot is not considered pocketed.
If that be so, then if the object ball falls out of the ball return or out of the gutter and onto the floor, then by rule, that is a foul. If an object ball is knocked onto the ground, it is a foul.

There is no other way of interpretation.
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You answered your own question. The action must return the ball to the playing surface.

"If that be so" is from your perspective and has no basis in any factual interpretation of the rules of play. An assumption is not truth.

Any object ball leaving the "playing surface" of the table is considered a foul. Again, you assumed "any" ball by "any circumstance" that hits the floor would fall under a particular rule. You are mistaken.

ChrisBanks, I would encourage you to read the BCA Official Rules and Records Book. For over 50 years, many of the greatest minds in the world have contributed to this book, in order to dispel many of the "assumptions" players have made.

Your particular question has been answered satisfactorily. Good Luck with your continued education in pool and billiards.

cajunfats
 
You

ChrisBanks said:
Are not rulemakers human? And if you agree to the proposition that humans are not infallible, and prone to error, then you would agree that the established rules are not necessarily the right rules.
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ChrisBanks, when your name graces the interior of the Official Rules Book as a contributor, you may question the human fallibility of the rules. Until then, you either follow the rules as the right way to play, or continue being a contrarian, and waste valuable time and energy questioning, instead of learning.

cajunfats
 
cajunfats said:
ChrisBanks, when your name graces the interior of the Official Rules Book as a contributor, you may question the human fallibility of the rules. Until then, you either follow the rules as the right way to play, or continue being a contrarian, and waste valuable time and energy questioning, instead of learning.

cajunfats
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So I am only permitted to criticize the rulebook if I myself have authored a part of it?
 
It was always other guys shot when it happened to me.:(
 
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ChrisBanks said:
So I am only permitted to criticize the rulebook if I myself have authored a part of it?
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Sent you a PM. I cannot answer that question. You have as much freedom to criticize as the next person. Your criticism will only carry weight when you have a better contribution than the person(s) who established the rules.
 
ChrisBanks said:
So I am only permitted to criticize the rulebook if I myself have authored a part of it?[/QUOTE

How would you be able to criticize some thing you haven't read??
You just want to argue and its the same in all the threads you start you have not put in a opionion in any of them you just post questions and keep fueling the fire but never put in anything of value. Read the rule book play the game the same as everyone else like we all have for years or rewrite the rule book, but judging by the way you reply to your own questions no one would follow your rules. thats just how I see it.
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PETROBOY said:
ChrisBanks said:
So I am only permitted to criticize the rulebook if I myself have authored a part of it?[/QUOTE

How would you be able to criticize some thing you haven't read??
You just want to argue and its the same in all the threads you start you have not put in a opionion in any of them you just post questions and keep fueling the fire but never put in anything of value. Read the rule book play the game the same as everyone else like we all have for years or rewrite the rule book, but judging by the way you reply to your own questions no one would follow your rules. thats just how I see it.
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I'm only interested in what is right. That is all that counts.
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If the rule was changed, then no one would be able to blink. The difference between a ball that rattles and a ball that is spit back out happens in a split second.

It would cause more arguments than any other rule in pool. Not that balls spit out all the time. But the a-hole pool players would CLAIM the ball was spit back out when they rattle a ball if they notice you are paying the server for a drink, shaping your tip etc.

Like I said earlier in the thread, they would claim it was spit out even while you ARE looking.
 
cajunfats said:
ChrisBanks, when your name graces the interior of the Official Rules Book as a contributor, you may question the human fallibility of the rules. Until then, you either follow the rules as the right way to play, or continue being a contrarian, and waste valuable time and energy questioning, instead of learning.
cajunfats
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cajunfats said:
Sent you a PM. I cannot answer that question. You have as much freedom to criticize as the next person. Your criticism will only carry weight when you have a better contribution than the person(s) who established the rules.
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ChrisBanks said:
So I am only permitted to criticize the rulebook if I myself have authored a part of it?
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PETROBOY said:
How would you be able to criticize some thing you haven't read??
You just want to argue and its the same in all the threads you start you have not put in a opionion in any of them you just post questions and keep fueling the fire but never put in anything of value. Read the rule book play the game the same as everyone else like we all have for years or rewrite the rule book, but judging by the way you reply to your own questions no one would follow your rules. thats just how I see it.
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PETROBOY said:
HOW DO YOU KNOW THE RULES ARE NOT RIGHT YOU HAVE NOT READ THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ChrisBanks said:
Am I?

Several people here have argued that we judge the shot based on where the object ball lands. If it lands on the table, the shot is not considered pocketed.

If that be so, then if the object ball falls out of the ball return or out of the gutter and onto the floor, then by rule, that is a foul. If an object ball is knocked onto the ground, it is a foul.

There is no other way of interpretation.
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waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. Good luck in convincing anyone of your logic, or lack there of :) WOW
 
There is nothing in the rules that says you can't use common sense, also.
 
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