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Playing in my weekly Tuesday night 9 ball tourney at Hollywood Billiards. My opponant was a very expierenced A player in his mid 40's. After his second consecutive foul, I advised him "You're on two".

Then I took my shot, and hooked him again. He then shot and committed a third foul. Then he says.....you didn't tell me I was on two. I said, sure I did right after your previous shot. He then says you have to tell me before I shoot my third shot. I said you're nuts. There is no rule that says when you have to tell your opponent that they are on 2...you just have to tell them. He didn't press it, and I won the game.

Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot.

I now know it might be wiser to wait until right before his next shot, but I'm curious about any specific rule. Thanks.
 
heh

the dude was pissed he got three fouled, and was trying to bulls*** his way out of it.... you can tell your opponent any time in between his second and third consecutive foul (I wouldnt advise telling people when their already down on their third shot)
 
Bob Jewett would probably be the authority on this, but in our 14.1 league, if a player is on two fouls, I always warn him when he steps up to the table for his inning. Not sure if the rule requires a specific time to warn or not, that is just how I have always done it.
 
If you warned him right afterwards, that is certainly BEFORE his next shot. The same thing happened to me. She mumbled something to me when I told her and she acted like it didn't happen. Of course it did and the ruling went my way.
 
Three fouling can be very embarrassing to a competitive player, and he was probably so pissed that he was willing to try and cheat his way out of it. JMO
 
I'd say he's right. You have to tell him/her before he/she makes his/her third foul, not after the second. Using this loophole to me is in the same league as calling a foul when your opponent starts taking balls from the pocket before the cueball comes to a complete stop no where near a pocket; not done!
 
SharpPT said:
Playing in my weekly Tuesday night 9 ball tourney at Hollywood Billiards. My opponant was a very expierenced A player in his mid 40's. After his second consecutive foul, I advised him "You're on two".

Then I took my shot, and hooked him again. He then shot and committed a third foul. Then he says.....you didn't tell me I was on two. I said, sure I did right after your previous shot. He then says you have to tell me before I shoot my third shot. I said you're nuts. There is no rule that says when you have to tell your opponent that they are on 2...you just have to tell them. He didn't press it, and I won the game.

Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot.

I now know it might be wiser to wait until right before his next shot, but I'm curious about any specific rule. Thanks.
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If you don't want to worry about that coming up again, simply get an acknowledgement from your opponent when you announce that he/she is "on two" and then there should never be an argument.
 
What happens when an opponent suddenly goes deaf?

Louis Ulrich said:
If you don't want to worry about that coming up again, simply get an acknowledgement from your opponent when you announce that he/she is "on two" and then there should never be an argument.
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Reading through the various associations rules for various games over and over I see that you must announce and your opponent must acknowledge for an announcement to be valid. What happens if your opponent simply refuses to acknowledge?

Hu
 
Double-Dave said:
I'd say he's right. You have to tell him/her before he/she makes his/her third foul, not after the second. Using this loophole to me is in the same league as calling a foul when your opponent starts taking balls from the pocket before the cueball comes to a complete stop no where near a pocket; not done!
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Huh? Wouldn't telling him/her before he/she makes his/her third foul, BE after the second? I agree...you must always get a verbal, preferably witnessed!
 
Louis Ulrich said:
If you don't want to worry about that coming up again, simply get an acknowledgement from your opponent when you announce that he/she is "on two" and then there should never be an argument.
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Hell, I screamed at one guy one time, that's two fouls.
He still denied it afterwards.
It's a veteran move. You tell them they're on two then they give you the look that they heard you but NO acknowledgement.
You're right, make them acknowledge. Better yet, put out a peace sign when you tell them they're on two WHEN THEY COME IN TO shoot not just after the foul.
It might behoove everyone to call a foul and get an acknowledgement from the other shooter before picking up that cueball.
I saw Ernesto call a foul on one veteran pro. Everyone in the pool hall heard it except the other guy. When Ernest picked up the cueball, the guy goes " What are you doing?' A nice argument ensued. Great vet move. The pro moved away from Ernesto while he called the foul.:eek:
 
Gregg said:
Three fouling can be very embarrassing to a competitive player, and he was probably so pissed that he was willing to try and cheat his way out of it. JMO
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I got Parica on three fouls once. He was good natured about it even though the match was close at that point. He won the set 9-6, but I just had to take this chance to brag about getting him on three fouls. :)
 
I tell them "thats two", then I shoot the next safety. As they come to the table...before I leave, I tell them very clearly "you are on two".
I would never tell them, then shoot my shot, then let them shoot without telling them again. I've always believed you were supposed to tell them they are on two, immediately as they approach the table for their turn & possible 3rd foul.
 
one time i was gambling with a girl at valley forge, who ironically enough barked at ME and not the other way around, we were playing 20$ a game nine ball, (she was a terrible player) and i got her on 2...

so i say (before her next shot) YOUR ON 2, she says OK and acknowledges and proceeds to kick at the ball (not a tough kick) and misses... i proceed to push the balls down table so she can assume the position and grab the rack when she becomes very angered, she then tells me "I DON'T PLAY THREE FOULS." i was like "huh?" i then said to her do you play pool? what do you do in that situation?
 
rackmsuckr said:
Huh? Wouldn't telling him/her before he/she makes his/her third foul, BE after the second? I agree...you must always get a verbal, preferably witnessed!
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The difference being that you tell him (/her getting tired of this) after your turn, not before.
So you have to say it when he walks up to the table for his potential third foul, not when he walks away after his second. You could be playing Basavich 14.1 and his turn at the table can take about six weeks, certainly long enough to potentially forget that he told you you were on two. An acknowledgement is also required.
 
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SharpPT said:
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Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot.

I now know it might be wiser to wait until right before his next shot, but I'm curious about any specific rule. Thanks.
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I'm curious too. There are two ripe situations for argument when three-fouling someone.

1. when, as people have said, your opponent claims he was not warned or not warned properly. [I look for clear acknowledgment. "You're on two.... Right?"]

2. The second situation is when you tell your opponent he's on two, and he claims he's not because --he says--there was an intervening shot. Avoiding this second situation is the reason I prefer doing like you did--notifying him right after the second foul.

It can get confusing sometimes. For instance, suppose you come up dry on the break. Your opponent misses the one ball. You then leave him tough, and he fouls. You take ball in hand, think about it for a while, and decide to go for the out. You hit in the 1, the 2, and the 3, and then get out of line or fail to break something out. So you think about it for another while, and you play safe again. Then your opponent commits a second foul. Then you take ball in hand and once again plan to get out. The 8 and 9 are tied up, but you can bump into them when you tap in the 7. So you hit in the 4, the 5, the 6, and then you get straight on 7. So you roll the cueball up near the cluster and play safe on the 8. Now you turn to your opponent and tell him he's on two. He looks at you like you're crazy.....

Too much has happened inbetween. I think it's much safer to tell him as soon as he commits the second foul. Then if he objects it's easier to run through the last few innings.

So if this is really not OK, I'd like to know.

mike page
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I always warn as soon as I go for the ball in hand on the second foul.. not when the person goes to the table. ''....two fouls right"...
 
The same thing happened to me once where I told my opponent that he was on 2 immediately after he fouled the 2nd time. I then took my shot and buried the cueball, and when he fouled again I marked my game and he looked at me and I told him that that was his 3rd foul and he said that I was suppose to. I let him be.

Afterwards, I asked Tony R. about it and he said that to mention that "you're on 2" to the opponent right before they take their 3rd shot would be out of courtesy. As long as you've said "you're on 2" after the 2nd foul, the opponent should pay attention to that and try not to foul for a 3rd time.
 
Interesting. I checked the rules. In the US version it just says you have to tell them between the second and third foul, no more. In the dutch version of the rules it says the same, but with a stipulation to do it before the player walks up to the table for the potential third foul. I can't download the rule changes for 2006 but I don't think it was in there.
 
The applicable rules (WPA 2006):

2.16 MANDATORY WARNINGS.
The referee must warn a player who is about to commit a serious foul(such as three consecutive fouls, requesting coaching assistance, or failure to stop shooting after a foul has been called) whenever the referee has been given enough time to do so; otherwise, any foul is considered to be a standard foul (except as specially noted). For instance, in games where the rule applies the referee must inform a player who has had two (2) consecutive fouls; otherwise, the player is considered to have had only one foul prior to the shot . . .The referee should notify the player as soon as the corresponding situation arises and whenever enough time was given to issue the warning. A warning issued just as a stroke occurs or is about to occur is not considered sufficient time for the shooter to react, and the warning will be considered not to have been issued.

5.13 THREE CONSECUTIVE FOULS
If a player fouls three consecutive times on three successive shots without making an intervening legal shot, the game is lost. The three fouls must occur in one game. The warning must be given between the second and third fouls. A player's inning begins when it is legal to take a shot and ends at the end of a shot on which he misses, fouls or wins, or when he fouls between shots.
 

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After i take my turn i look at the person im playing and hold my 2 fingures up and tell them they are on two and make sure they agree.
 
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