"You're on two."

[uwate]

Playing in my weekly Tuesday night 9 ball tourney at Hollywood Billiards. My opponant was a very expierenced A player in his mid 40's. After his second consecutive foul, I advised him "You're on two".

Then I took my shot, and hooked him again. He then shot and committed a third foul. Then he says.....you didn't tell me I was on two. I said, sure I did right after your previous shot. He then says you have to tell me before I shoot my third shot. I said you're nuts. There is no rule that says when you have to tell your opponent that they are on 2...you just have to tell them. He didn't press it, and I won the game.

Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot.

I now know it might be wiser to wait until right before his next shot, but I'm curious about any specific rule. Thanks.

When you told him, did you get a verbal acknowledgement? U can avoid this in the future by saying it until you get him to acknowledge what you just told him. BTW who were you playing? I was there that night over on table 14 playing Steve A some races to 7. How did your match end up?

 

[thebighurt]

I am trying to figure out who they were playing also. I can't think of any A players at Hollywood Billiards in their mid 40's. By the way Dave, how did you do with Steve?

 

[uwate]

I am trying to figure out who they were playing also. I can't think of any A players at Hollywood Billiards in their mid 40's. By the way Dave, how did you do with Steve?

For some reason this sounds like he was playing Big Randy. Of course Randy kicks pretty damn good and getting him on 3 would seem to be pretty tough.

In regards to Steve, I played really horrible. I think in 5 hrs of playing I might have broke and run 2 racks. In the final game of the final set (it was 6-4 when this happened) I think we both shot like 6 times that final game, including two shots each at the nine. Fortunately for me Steve played even worse. I dont think he has been playing alot lately. I ended up three sets on him.

 

[thebighurt]

The mid 40's is throwing me off. Randy is in his mid 50's. Was there any players in town Dave? I haven't hit a ball in months now.

 

[sjm]

Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot.

Yes, I believe this is the requirement. An opponent must be warned they are on two immediately prior to their shot for the third foul penalty to be in effect.

 

[SharpPT]

It was Crosser. Guessing at his age. It was a few weeks ago.... I won the match.

 

[thebighurt]

Yes, I believe this is the requirement. An opponent must be warned they are on two immediately prior to their shot for the third foul penalty to be in effect.

I can't believe this is getting so much attention and also some of the responses. The guy tells you that you are on 2, he can do it after you foul the 2nd time all the way up to you get ready to shoot your shot. This is exactly why pool will never be a big time sport in this country, you know you are on 2 so have some class about it.. Pro golfers call fouls on themselves. Greg Norman was sitting in his hotel room after the 3rd round of a golf tournament which he was leading, he was looking at the ball he had been playing and realized it wasn't cleared to be played with on the PGA tour. He disqualified himself from the tournament. You couldn't get these pro players to call a foul on themselves if you had a gun to their head.!! Now I am waiting for somebody to write, yeah but Greg Norman is worth millions and can afford to disqualify himself and pool players can't. The reason he is worth millions is because the game is a gentlemans game and has a class about it that sponsors want to put their money.... CURRENT LAS VEGAS LINES... aliens landing a spaceship in the middle of times square on New Years Eve 10,000 to 1, Barry Bonds being voted Sportsman of the Year 100,000 to 1, Shaq hitting 2 free throws in a row 1,000,000 to 1, IPT player calling foul on himself double hill in the final 9999999999999999999999999999999 to 1

 

[Big Dave]

If you don't want to worry about that coming up again, simply get an acknowledgement from your opponent when you announce that he/she is "on two" and then there should never be an argument.

That's the straight dope - get the acknowledgement IMO!

 

[ShootingArts]

hafta agree

A back marker pro golfer looking at maybe the best payday of his life, 40K a bunch of years ago, realized that he had unintentionally broken a rule. He came forward and was disqualified as he knew he would be. Definitely a different mindset.

Lassiter acknowledged that the trick shots he was demonstrating in old footage I was watching today was illegal. When asked if he had ever used them he said he had. He may have been joking but there is no question that few shooters call fouls on themselves if they think they may slide by. I'm not saying any sport is lily white but pool is far closer to the NFL "it's only illegal if you get caught" than the PGA's self reporting.

Hu

I can't believe this is getting so much attention and also some of the responses. The guy tells you that you are on 2, he can do it after you foul the 2nd time all the way up to you get ready to shoot your shot. This is exactly why pool will never be a big time sport in this country, you know you are on 2 so have some class about it.. Pro golfers call fouls on themselves. Greg Norman was sitting in his hotel room after the 3rd round of a golf tournament which he was leading, he was looking at the ball he had been playing and realized it wasn't cleared to be played with on the PGA tour. He disqualified himself from the tournament. You couldn't get these pro players to call a foul on themselves if you had a gun to their head.!! Now I am waiting for somebody to write, yeah but Greg Norman is worth millions and can afford to disqualify himself and pool players can't. The reason he is worth millions is because the game is a gentlemans game and has a class about it that sponsors want to put their money.... CURRENT LAS VEGAS LINES... aliens landing a spaceship in the middle of times square on New Years Eve 10,000 to 1, Barry Bonds being voted Sportsman of the Year 100,000 to 1, Shaq hitting 2 free throws in a row 1,000,000 to 1, IPT player calling foul on himself double hill in the final 9999999999999999999999999999999 to 1

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot....

The requirement is that you tell them before the shot that might be the third foul. That's any time between the second foul and when they are ready to shoot the third foul. There is no requirement as to when during that time you have to warn them (Dutch interpretations to the contrary notwithstanding).

At tournament 14.1 the fouls should be posted on the scoreboard which is visible to both players. For a refereed 9 ball match, the referee determines whether he gave a warning or not, and the fouler is always free to ask how many he's on if he is confused.

If there is no referee, you should tell him as soon as he's on two, so it will be easier to go over the sequence in case there is a question as Mike Page pointed out. If a player can't remember to the end of your inning that you told him he was on two, I think he should be under medical supervision. Maybe we need yellow cards to put on the table when a player is on two.

 

[woody_968]

We were just talking about this at the pool room the other day and I was going to post this same question.

I was always under the impression that there was no stipulation on when the warning was given, other than it had to be before the opponent took his next shot and that he acknowledge being warned.

One of the players in our conversation has played in the BCA junior event a few times and he said that they made it VERY clear the you had to warn them as soon as the second foul is commited AND right before their next shot.

I had never heard this before, has anyone ever been to a tournament where they said this had to be done?

Bob, have you been involved in the juniors and do you recall anything like this in any of the tournaments you have been to?

Woody

 

[uwate]

It was Crosser. Guessing at his age. It was a few weeks ago.... I won the match.

It was Crosser eh? At the last big tournament a few weeks ago, I played Crosser and at one point he was on two with about 5 balls on the table, all spread out. I picked up the cueball and before I tried for the runout I said "Cris your on two". I didnt get any kind of acknowledgement so I walked over to him closer and said, "Hey your on two" . He then got all wild eyed and said " WELL THEN BRING IT ON BIG BOY!!" I started laughing as it was just so ridiculous. Here I am doing my job to remind him hes on two and he took it as some kind of challenge. That was not actually even close the the worst crap he doled out that match. He's difficult to play for sure, especially if hes got his bar tab mojo going.

To Crosser's credit though, the next time I saw him and he was dead sober he apologized for acting like such a buffoon.

Rob, you are so on the money about the ethics of pool players. LMAO on your odds, as I dont think you could get action on that unless the player was dumping you on the bet.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... One of the players in our conversation has played in the BCA junior event a few times and he said that they made it VERY clear the you had to warn them as soon as the second foul is commited AND right before their next shot.
...

Of course this is the way that is least likely to lead to problems later on. The more I think about it, the better I like the yellow card idea. Yellow on one side and green on the other. The player turns it over to yellow after coming back to his seat after the second foul. This is an obvious acknowledgement of the situation.

 

[jay helfert]

Playing in my weekly Tuesday night 9 ball tourney at Hollywood Billiards. My opponant was a very expierenced A player in his mid 40's. After his second consecutive foul, I advised him "You're on two".

Then I took my shot, and hooked him again. He then shot and committed a third foul. Then he says.....you didn't tell me I was on two. I said, sure I did right after your previous shot. He then says you have to tell me before I shoot my third shot. I said you're nuts. There is no rule that says when you have to tell your opponent that they are on 2...you just have to tell them. He didn't press it, and I won the game.

Anyone else ever hear of a requirement to tell your opponent they are on two right before they shoot the 3rd shot....or can you tell them right after the 2nd foul and before you shoot.

I now know it might be wiser to wait until right before his next shot, but I'm curious about any specific rule. Thanks.

You did the right thing. You told him he was on two. Done deal.

 

[mikepage]

(about TWICE notifying an opponent he's on two)

Of course this is the way that is least likely to lead to problems later on.

Least likely to lead to *disagreements* later on perhaps. But if your opponent looks you in the eye after your second pronouncement and says, "Yes asxxxle. I know that," then we should reserve judgment on the
*problems* part.

This reminds me of a story a top local female player told me. When she first turned 21, she could join the "upstairs" 8-ball league, in the bar area of the poolroom on the night all the players play. On her first night, she was playing a local shortstop, and he was at the table running out. At one point, she wasn't sure where he intended to call a ball he was shooting. So she got up while he was in position and timidly asked him to clarify where he was calling the ball. He stood up, a little surprised. He thought for a minute. Then he turned to her and said, "Little girl, if you don't know where I'm playing this ball, then maybe you shouldn't be up here playing with the big boys." Then he got down and shot the ball.

The more I think about it, the better I like the yellow card idea. Yellow on one side and green on the other. The player turns it over to yellow after coming back to his seat after the second foul. This is an obvious acknowledgement of the situation.

I thought you were kidding with the yellow card idea; now I see you were not. Another option is a yellow hat the player must wear that says "I'm on two." That'd be a great hat, right up there with the "McDonalds Trainee" hat.

mike page
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