Youtube Channel - Practice video of stroke - Need feedback :)

Pryme

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Hi guys,

So I decided to start a youtube channel, mainly to record and track my progression playing pool, I recently started playing pool seriously and I cant afford professional lessons at the moment.

This way I can receive some positive feedback from the instructors on here and the more experienced players.

I recorded my self playing some straight in shots in order to get a good view of my form, bridge etc.

I know I have a lot to work on and I just need to know what.

I didn't have a higher place to place my phone while recording, I tried to get as much of the table as I could. The table is 10'' by 5'', rounded pockets like snooker and the balls are a bit smaller as well, American snooker size I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oyvo0VZJg


any advice? tips?

cheers
 
Hi guys,

So I decided to start a youtube channel, mainly to record and track my progression playing pool, I recently started playing pool seriously and I cant afford professional lessons at the moment.

This way I can receive some positive feedback from the instructors on here and the more experienced players.

I recorded my self playing some straight in shots in order to get a good view of my form, bridge etc.

I know I have a lot to work on and I just need to know what.

I didn't have a higher place to place my phone while recording, I tried to get as much of the table as I could. The table is 10'' by 5'', rounded pockets like snooker and the balls are a bit smaller as well, American snooker size I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oyvo0VZJg


any advice? tips?

cheers
From a strictly mechanical standpoint.... Not terrible.... Lol
You seem like youre trying to pump the cue back and forth a bit, which can lead to some inconsistancy. Some of your backswings are pretty fast, and some of the strokes you follow through a few inches, others you pull the cue to a dead stop.
On the good side, you seem consistant in looking at the shot and moving in on the shot line. One time you didnt like what you saw and stood up... Thats very good. And there seemed to be a pause between backswing and final stroke albeit a short one.
Best advice is to not overthink the stroke. Let the cue swing freely at the elbow joint, and follow 4-6" through the ball. A pause either before the backswing on on the backswing before the final stroke will give you a bettwer sense of control and speed.
Hope this helps
Chuck
 
Form looks good.

Bridge is nice and steady and your stroke is smooth with zero hesitation. I tend to pause for 3 to 5 seconds after my last practice stroke and then pull the trigger... everyone in my hall hates it when I do that, especially when I am running racks on them. You look comfortable and that is awesome.

Might ask yourself if you are low enough to the shot to get a comfortable sight picture on the shot and also look to see if its is more stable to have one or both of your legs straight.

I am over six feet tall and understand it is not terribly comfortable to stoop way down and keep even one leg straight. But just see if it is possible... do everything you can to make your stance as consistent and stable as possible.

Regards,

Lesh
 
From a strictly mechanical standpoint.... Not terrible.... Lol
You seem like youre trying to pump the cue back and forth a bit, which can lead to some inconsistancy. Some of your backswings are pretty fast, and some of the strokes you follow through a few inches, others you pull the cue to a dead stop.
On the good side, you seem consistant in looking at the shot and moving in on the shot line. One time you didnt like what you saw and stood up... Thats very good. And there seemed to be a pause between backswing and final stroke albeit a short one.
Best advice is to not overthink the stroke. Let the cue swing freely at the elbow joint, and follow 4-6" through the ball. A pause either before the backswing on on the backswing before the final stroke will give you a bettwer sense of control and speed.
Hope this helps
Chuck

i see what your saying, yeah in the back of my head I was like yeah all this is on camera dont mess up to bad lolll... I do feel im stroking way to fast, i dont feel in control of of my backswing when it slows down.
 
Form looks good.

Bridge is nice and steady and your stroke is smooth with zero hesitation. I tend to pause for 3 to 5 seconds after my last practice stroke and then pull the trigger... everyone in my hall hates it when I do that, especially when I am running racks on them. You look comfortable and that is awesome.

Might ask yourself if you are low enough to the shot to get a comfortable sight picture on the shot and also look to see if its is more stable to have one or both of your legs straight.

I am over six feet tall and understand it is not terribly comfortable to stoop way down and keep even one leg straight. But just see if it is possible... do everything you can to make your stance as consistent and stable as possible.

Regards,

Lesh

Thanks for the advice, I feel i will have to incorporate the final pause just as you do, like i said above, when i pause at the backswing i feel as if i loose control of the stroke. Thanks
 
Thanks for the advice, I feel i will have to incorporate the final pause just as you do, like i said above, when i pause at the backswing i feel as if i loose control of the stroke. Thanks

I pause with my tip at the cue ball precisely where I mean to hit it and then take my whack at it. I do not suggest you pause in the back swing or pause at all.... do what feels right.
 
From my own personal standpoint, I think if you're going to have a pause, then do it at the CB. As long as you learn to control the backswing, then you should be okay without a deliberate pause at the end of your backswing. Feel free to experiment with both.

The biggest flaw that stood out to me was you twist your arm slightly when you follow through. So your elbow is finishing outside of the shot line. It won't stand out as much with shots like these, but it will come back to bite you in the ass on more difficult shots and under pressure.

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Looks pretty good overall. One thing jumped out at me. It's something I did, and still struggle with when I'm playing occasionally. It's staying down on your shot through the duration of your stroke.

You can see it in bieberlvr's pictures, but in just about every shot that I saw there, there was a lifting motion in your upper torso and head. Ideally you want to keep body movement confined to the elbow and below until after contact with the cue ball, when the shoulder helps the follow through.

Practice strokes were a bit choppy, but that is personal preference. Try and keep it as consistent as possible. But you stayed down on all of your practice strokes well. When it comes to pulling the trigger though, you come up out of it about 6" from the looks of things.

This was a great analogy given to me by Shannon Daulton. Think of it like this: in rifle marksmanship, there are basic fundamentals that one generally has to abide by to be able to consistently hit the target. Breathing, trigger squeeze, sight picture, and steady position. By shifting your body during firing, you are introducing variables that could, and often do, effect the desired outcome. Pool is the same. By lifting up, you are changing the conditions you set for yourself in your pre shot routine and warm up stokes, as well as your sight picture at the point of contact. ( it also decreases the effectiveness of your stroke by adding loft to the cue.).

When practicing, over emphasize staying down on the shot... There are times you'll have to get out of the way of course, but make it just as important to do that as a solid preshot routine. Your consistency will go up when it becomes natural to stay down.

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I dont know if anyone will back me up here, but it looks like you are bending your knees a bit to get down on the shot. You might try widening your stance a little and bending more from your waist and try and keep your legs straight, standing with both knees bent isn't really comfortable and not as steady as legs straight.
 
Wow the pictures really helped, and it shows what woodz was tryna say, I will have to work on these tommorow for sure, great help guys.
 
Il have to try that out poolguppy, thx for the feedback...
nice shootin johnny lol!
 
Hi guys,

So I decided to start a youtube channel, mainly to record and track my progression playing pool, I recently started playing pool seriously and I cant afford professional lessons at the moment.

This way I can receive some positive feedback from the instructors on here and the more experienced players.

I recorded my self playing some straight in shots in order to get a good view of my form, bridge etc.

I know I have a lot to work on and I just need to know what.

I didn't have a higher place to place my phone while recording, I tried to get as much of the table as I could. The table is 10'' by 5'', rounded pockets like snooker and the balls are a bit smaller as well, American snooker size I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oyvo0VZJg


any advice? tips?

cheers

Stroke accuracy needed mostly for long shots, or on shots where you only have a ball's width pocket
 
Well, let's do this again, I had it all typed out, was closing out the tabs to the links, and closed out the wrong tab and lost it all. :o

You said you are serious about the game. So I will take you at your word and give you the truth. No sugarcoating, just what I observed. Take from it what you will. If you really want to get better, it is going to take honestly looking at the truth, and a lot of hard work on your part.

A number of people have said that you looked pretty good. I strongly disagree. What you are doing now will hold you back to mediocrity. You might be able to get to a low B level, but that is about it.

You say you can't afford lessons. I understand that. Personal lessons are by far the best way to go, but not always feasible. However, you can cut back for a couple of weeks on some things and afford Mark Wilsons book. http://playgreatpool.com/InstructionBook.aspx Where I will point out some of the more obvious flaws you have, it takes a book to go over each one. He wrote that book. There isn't room here to go over it all. You can also go to Dr. Dave's website. He has tons of free info there, and has DVD's available also. http://billiards.colostate.edu/ Or Bob Jewett's articles. http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.html

Pool is all about precision. What you are doing is about generalities, and that is the result you will get with what you are doing. It's a 1mm game. Every thing has to be very precise.

Here's a list of some of the things you are doing wrong, in my opinion.
-You approach the table a little different each time, yet are shooting the same shot.
-Your only goal seems to be to pocket the ball, and if you do, then that equates to success for you. Very far from the truth.
-Your warmup strokes have no set pattern to them. You look like you are sawing wood, not precisely lining up the tip to an exact spot on the cb and a precise line to the ob.
-Your alignment is off causing you to steer the cue.
-You start out different distances from the cb.
-You have no set eye pattern.
-Your only goal is to pocket the ball, not control the cb. And that is all you observe after the shot.(cb was all over the place after the same shot each time)
-Sometimes your elbow drops too soon.
-Looks like you are tightening your grip as you come forward on the final stroke.
-You aren't hitting the cb where you think you are.
-If the shots truly were straight in, you aren't hitting them straight. Most shots, the cb went to the right afterwards.
-You are raising up during your final stroke each time.
-You aren't being precise about any of it.
-There is no pause in your stroke.
-There doesn't seem to be any real plan on just what you want to have happen other than just make the ball.

Now, that may seem like a lot to you. It is, and the bad news is that I didn't list everything. I also didn't list the things you did right. Essentially, that was this- you made the ball.

If just making open balls is your only goal, you will do fine on shorter shots. If you actually want a real game, you will have to learn to become much more precise. You will need a very solid PSR (pre shot routine), and learn to become very precise with where you hit the cb. Without doing so, your position play will suffer greatly. It's a 1mm game. To play at the upper levels, requires great precision. The things I listed above will greatly hinder that precision if not make that precision impossible.

Pool played correctly is a very hard game made to look very easy. It's all about the fundamentals. The sooner you work hard on those, the sooner you will advance. Good luck in your journey. And, don't take what I have listed as a "downer", but instead look at it as places to improve. How much you improve is up to you.
 
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I think it looks quite good.
When you use draw it seems to me you focus more on power than following through with the cue.
The result being that you hit higher on the CB than you think and therefore don`t get as much effect as you would like.
If you try the same shot, but not as hard and instead focus on hitting where you are aiming and following thorugh, I think you would get much more spin on the CB.
 
Put your palm on the table, your bridge hand is resting on the table with just your fingers, not very stable, always put your palm on the table unless you're forced to change it by being too close to the rail or something. Quit looking where the object ball is going, this will make you stay down on your shots, you seem to be lifting your head in order to see where the object ball is going. If you take lessons the first thing they will teach you is the "system, or "routine", different instructors have different names for the shot routine..... basically the eye pattern, warm-up strokes, pause at CB, pause at back of backswing, and finish. It would be worth taking some lessons, but just having a more stable bridge, and staying down(stop looking where the OB is going) will help a lot for now.
 
What Neil said - but I will add -

there is a difference between a hit - and a stroke.

A hit is what a baseball bat does to a baseball -

A stroke is what a bow does to a violin -

Now go back and watch the video and see which one you did.

You tend to "pound" the balls into the pocket - this causes your elbow to drop - which might work for you with the shots you were setting up - but when you need to pocket a ball and get position (multi-task oriented thinking and doing) you will start to steer some shots.

My recommendation is to not get on the internet and ask for opinions about your mechanics. You will get 300 different opinions - and when that happens, you can pick and choose which ones you want to listen to. You'll get some good feedback - some of it will be off-base - but one thing is for sure - somewhere along the way, you will miss the truth.

You need to find one qualified instructor that will give it to you straight. You should only be getting direct feedback from that one qualified source. It's just between you and the instructor - no outside opinions - you just concentrate on what you are being taught. That will keep you from having to waste your energy by judging the validity of 300 separate and different opinions of your mechanics. By having that one source, you will avoid pitfalls that could add years to your frustration.

As an instructor, I know that there is no substitute for being in the room with a qualified instructor guiding you. There's just certain things in your game that should not be toyed with via the internet - and your stroke is at the top of that list. JMO.
 
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You can also click on the link in Blackjacks signature and there might be something there you can afford.
 
If you put your palm on the table you'll get a more stable bridge. Also, there's kind of a circular/piston motion to your back hand that makes your tip go up and down. You want it to stroke straight through instead.
 
If your serious about working on your stroke. I suggest you get some good quality instruction from a qualified instructor. Once you know the basics of what makes a quality stroke...take a look at this for your personal long term development.. www.strokeanalyzer.com

Cheers
Bob
 
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