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jnwilliams said:
OK- I have a mancave/barndominium 150 yards from house that the Lord gives me great peace in. Diamond professional 8'. I take great care of my stuff...keep my pool room pretty spotless.......My 14 year old daughter had a few friends over and wanted to go shoot pool with her friends...without dad, of course......

What say ye?
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I'd let her but only when I was home and I'd get surveillance cameras covering the outside. Not inside. If my daughter wants to engage in shenanigans, better at home than away.
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profoundly stupid question

GoldCrown
gregcantrall said:
The responsibility of driving is much more serious than the damn table. The insurance company could show you the numbers regarding catastrophic loss and age of drivers on a curve. The higher rates for the young drivers reflects the odds. I think honor role status in high school got a slight discount on the rate.
Teach Your Children Well, is a favorite Hippy song.
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I guess the subject (aside from safety) is responsibility. Respecting/taking care of property. I honestly beat the snot out of family cars and ruined them mechanically. No accidents. I thought doing burn outs were cool. Over extending the gears, etc. When I bought and paid for my first car things changed.
When I got the GC4 in 1998 my in-laws would come over. Father in law love playing. Mother In Law stroked like she was shoveling with a pitch fork. I could not say anything. I manned up....but came close to a breakdown😂. I was hoping she would hate the game. My wife's God-Kid comes over with her child... I have to lock the pool room door....she plays with everything. Also my neighbors kid banged on my door..he wanted to play. He did not want to listen he wanted to take hard hitting flyers....That did not work out.
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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

Frosty
bbb said:
The other side of that story
Is people sandbag and lose on purpose to keep their Fargo rating low
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I imagine that’s probably true with some. With the guy I spoke of, he truly doesn’t play in tournaments often at all, but he’s in action at least 5 days a week, and there’s no Fargo for that. I speak on that firsthand as I’ve been playing this game for over 50 years and while always in action, I never play in tournaments, and therefore have no Fargo rating 🤑
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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

Island Drive
I quit for 15 yrs and took a look, 646. Then went out, played horrible worked my way downward, and at my age 77 they don't seem to want to lower me much more.
I think they should consider later yrs into ones rating, would enjoy some doubles, using my knowledge/not my skills to help my partner with shot choices.
Since there's not another doing this, it's a good place to get an idea of ones level, but often like many gamblers they work it to their advantage, it is what it is.
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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

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I see it every now and then. For example, I was put into the Fargo system at a 380 a few years back after I had been playing maybe a year or so. The guy who put me in is a certified CSI/BCA ref, you've maybe seen them on the TVs here and there reffing. I was playing a fargo-handicapped tournament and he was familiar with how I played, and said that it would be a fair score to go in as. I didn't know. I didn't care. However, in our league play, new players without a Fargo go in at a 525, I believe. Obviously, if they're a player around a 400 caliber, after a season, their average starts to reflect that as it goes down. Then you have a guy like me, who doesn't play but one or two Fargo tournaments ever, entered in as a 380, but is maybe playing well above that by the time they hit league. Then you're seeing a 380 mop the floor with a few 500s.

So it depends on where people are in their own personal games when they start.

For another example, I know two players, one trained the other. The trainer never had a fargo, mainly gambled, but then started playing leagues around the same time as the trainee. This was 15 years ago maybe. Trainer is currently around a 630 fargo, trainee is around a 570 fargo. Trainee has almost entirely caught up to trainer by this point, and they're about even. But when they both started out, though they probably entered into the fargo system around the same score, trainer was already at the peak of his game, whereas trainee was still early on in his development. So trainer climbed quick, trainee took a lot of bumps while improving. I'd argue from what I've seen, both trainer and trainee being at 620s would be about right.
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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

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Jerry R said:
Do you think they were tougher because of shot making or because of strategy?

One of the interesting things about pool is that there can be multiple ways to get to the same result. What I mean by that is two guys might both be rated 450, one because he is a lousy shot maker but plays pretty smart, the other seems to have no clue where his cue ball is going and has never played a safety but seems to make balls from anywhere on the table.

These different "skills" may translate differently to different games. I like the shot maker in rotation. I like the smart player in 8-ball.

Sometimes guys who struggle with position become much better at banking than you'd expect for a given rating. That might be an advantage in 1pkt.
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He was a better shot-maker and thinker than any 475 should be, so it was both. He was just better than 475, full stop. However, like I said, I think his robustness was low. He may have been a one-pocket player that got lost and entered a 9-ball event some weekend, and maybe he ended up with his ridiculously low Fargo Rate that way.

kollegedave
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profoundly stupid question

GoldCrown
jnwilliams said:
As I mentioned, she is an awesome child, and better than most 14 year olds I know, but I wouldn't want her driving on the road by herself at 14, either. She's worth more than a 1000 pool tables, but that doesn't mean I don't want to take care of my stuff and keep it the way I want to keep it. Guess that's why I posed the question. I see both sides of it. Your point is solid. It's just a pool table.
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Reply..It's only a pool table. It's only fine furniture. It's only $750 or better to re-cloth. It's only a lot of aggravation finding a 1st class Diamond (or any) mechanic. Growing up my friends had cheap K-Mart and JC Higgins 7-8 ft tables. We loved them. Any table was great table. Buy a beater or Valley for the gang... Let them learn, have fun, socialize, etc. I think you are very on track. Myself... nobody uses my "dear to me"cues, My LP turntable,, tools, cars. They are not toys. They are special to me. And I do not touch anyones' property without be invited. I never approached anyone's table until they said go hit some. Or walked up and handled their music collection/equipment.
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