Tobermory said:

If you Google “Ralph Greenleaf” up pops a photo from Getty Images of Greenleaf playing a side pocket break shot. (That’s you.) And he is so close to the object ball that he is liable to foul. (That’s Mosconi.) And the table is a 5x10.

On getting jacked up, or avoiding it, Mosconi seemed to me very intent the two times i saw him 1.) not to have the cue ball near a rail and 2.) to try to play position to a place from which he could take his normal both-feet-on-the-floor stance. He frequently stopped and checked where and HOW he would be standing on the next shot before he lined up on the shot at hand.

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maha said:

pat doesnt make sense

are you saying inside is reverse english.
and out side is running. you put them in the ( ) but correctly in the verbage.
in post 48

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straightline said:

You gotta add a grain of demostration powder so who knows. I remember reading somewhere Greenleaf favored the side pocket break. This may simply mean he wouldn't go out of his way to avoid it. So it came up in his runs - uh, more.

As far as ease of use, it still depends heavily on how the player applies his play. One truth I come away with regarding 10 and 12 foot snooker tables is the real estate where you don't have to jack up is major; both landing area and comfort based consistency wise.

Oh yeah, and the breaks; still a mystery to me.

Of course going from these to pool tables - even tight ones is a joke; except of course for the increasing jacked up zones.

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JasonATX said:

For me, the short answer is the more recognizable players are going to play with their sponsor's cue/shafts and that just isn't going to be wood or traditional for the most part as production makers are making traditional cues less and less. Traditional makers like Schon, Joss, and the like don't sponsor big tournaments these days at least to my knowledge, so their visibility is less than Predator and Cuetec. Do they even sponsor players these days?

For the rest, carbon fiber offers several advantages over wood, so I feel like that's why many of the better players have switched. The advantages are certainly why I did. At this point, it's the old school folks that are playing with wood shafts for the most part. I probably played with a wood shaft for 20 years or more. If I play with wood now, it's likely because I picked up a butt that I don't have carbon for (looking at you 3/8x11). I have a couple really nice customs and an old school Schon that have great wood shafts, but I hardly ever play with wood anymore because I like playing with a Revo.

Younger folks also see Filler, Gorst and the like shooting with non-traditional cues and carbon fiber and that's what they will want. Additionally, that's what going to be in a lot of brick-and-mortar stores that deal in production cues as well. Cost plays into the decision. To get a traditional cue that has great looking woods is simply more expensive, possibly prohibitively, these days when you can pick up a Lucky or Valhalla for $150. Look at Predator - 5-10 years ago you could get a good 8 point sneaky with really nice wood for like $400. Now, they are painted and like $800 for an 8 point.

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july9x said:

Nice! Now count how many hours you actually play on it in 2026 and report back
I'll be surprise if it is more than 100

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