iusedtoberich said:

You're delusional if you think a 7' Diamond Pro-Am with Pro-Cut pockets is only .05 harder to play on than a 9' GC4 with factory pockets (not doctored like the Shaw table).

I know your contributions to pool are great, but this was a bad starting point, and you never fixed it.

Go play 200 racks of 9 ball ghost on each table. Count total balls pocketed across all games. 1 ball = 1 point. No bs like an extra bonus for running the rack. I'll donate 3,000 USD to the BEF if you get a better score on the 9' GC than the 7' Diamond. If you don't, you change your formula.

Won't find a better deal than that.

Edit: apply the TDF correction factor to the number of balls pocketed, not the 9' being outright more balls than the 7'.

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Sounds like a fun challenge. I doubt I can find the time for it, but I will try. If not, hopefully others will give it a try and report their results here.

And here is my data for straight pool. Note, the 9' was the same table, but the 7' Diamond was a league-cut red label.


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Here is my data again. These are my 9 ball ghost scores for the 2024 year. I didn't go down to the ball, I went by game win/losses. But I do think down to the ball would be even better. The 9' GC was my home table, the 7' Diamond was a Pro-Cut pool room blue table Diamond. .05 difference according to the TDF chart. According to the fargorate difference, it's 95 points, which is almost 100. 100 points is twice as good in the fargorate scale.

Come on dr dave, you've got nothing to lose. Video yourself shooting 200 racks on each table. 3,000 USD goes to BEF if you're right. Change your formula if I'm right. I don't even need to see any video, I'll take it at your word how many balls pocketed on each table.

DJKeys said:

Wow, that took care of the problem!! Now I have to figure out how that section of cushion got dirty.

Thanks to all once again!

-dj

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It probably got dirty there because of practice drills. When you practice the same drills daily the same spots are contacted and the ball cleaner residue is wiped off at those spots only.

AtLarge said:

Yes, I watched all 6 of those matches on wnttv.com. But I just checked, and I don't see any of the video from that event available there now.

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I don’t think Matchroom keeps any of the matches besides their own Matchroom matches on the website. It looks like PPV matches can be watched at the link below for the event.

DJKeys said:

I use the Aramith ball cleaner. It only happened on a small area of the foot rail. Balls are Aramith Tournament.

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How much cleaning solution do you use and what are you using to clean the balls? That section of the cushion gets a lot of action from break shots. More so than other areas of the table. It's not so much dirt that accumulates there, but residual cleaner deposits on the rails from the balls. I assume the areas in question have a yellowish wear/staining to them? I switched to 2-4 tablespoons of Aramith Ball Cleaner to 8 ounces of 91% Isopropyl Alcohol in a spray bottle, then run them in my machine.

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Corwyn_8 said:

Earlier in this thread I gave what I thought might be good starts for table size weights based on the longest shot possible. Dave preferred his empirically determined weights. Perhaps you can influence him by making some empirical tests.

Dave has changed the weighting many times in the intervening years. Though I don't see that ANYONE has done as he requested and posted BU exam scores for multiple tables. So we are relying on people's opinions, and yours does not seem to match others.

A difference of 0.5 seems HUGE to me (depending on what that actually means).

Thank you kindly.

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Well one thing is the BU exam should NOT be the weighting factor. That is self-serving to Dr Dave in advancing it as some sort of a standard.

Here is a perfect example of why it should NOT be a weighing factor. Dr Dave scored higher on it that SVB! SVB can give anyone in this thread the 5 out and rob us all blind.

The test imo should simulate real game play as much as possible. Not the BU exam, or any other "drill". Not the mathematical formula of the margin of error for different length shots. Those are all fine as a standalone "test", but they don't encompass all aspects of "actual game play".

What does encompass the most of "actual game play"? That's easy. It's the GHOST. The only aspect missing from the ghost is safety play (which doesn't matter when determining how hard a table is). The rest is all there. The break, pocketing, position, pattern play, varied layouts each rack, etc.

The TDF should be based on ghost scores for the various table, in my very strong opinion.

I have done that for both 9 ball and straight pool, and posted about it many times over the years, with data. It's not close. The 7' table is MILES easier. Not .05 easier.

SeniorTom said:

I have been playing pool now for about 3 years now and I am a 500 Fargo level. In the three years I have been playing it is rare for me to be in competition without some sort of fear or stress over missing a shot or losing. It's the same apprehension and fear that all players suffer, and it can ruin your game. Although, there have been times when for whatever reason I have competed devoid of any apprehension or fear, where my skill set came out fully unimpeded, and I have excelled in my game in those moments. I have run tables and made amazing shots when fear is gone, but it is so difficult to get to that point. I am not sure how to get to that point of being without fear of losing or missing, but when I do I am a very good player. Any tips on how to get to that point? Have you had times when you have played when you didn't have any fear? Are there techniques I can use to help me reach this goal?

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We as players add fear or stress, the only thing you control is the motion of your cue, do all your thinking before getting down on the shot, if it feels wrong stand back up, don't try to re-aim while down on the table, the better you adhere to YOUR pre-shot routine the more confidence you will have, if you are not a pro making a living in pool remember, you will probably be okay tomorrow if you miss the shot that is causing you angst.......