skogstokig said:

felt like yapp missed more balls (although few) than shane, but that shane played worse safeties and percentage play. icbw.

MR events should really use accustats TPA. in some events they've had their own stats but they've been wonky

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Both players missed enough key shots to let the other win. Shane had two big mistakes, though.

The second he couldn't be faulted for: He scratched on the break, down 12-10 I think, and lost control of the table. CB took a carom as if often the case on scratches on the break.

The big error, as has been pointed out, was his risky (reckless in my view) decision to try to pocket the 2 ball on a steep backcut after he broke leading 5-1. One the worst decisions I have seen in the short WNT era.

Smart play, by far, was to hook Yapp. That is what Yapp (and Gorst) would have done to SVB if the situation was flipped.

After you win a game a pool...​

How about after you lose.... do you turn the table over?

straightline said:

Dunno. Meant the photo on the front page.
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Is he on TOP of the table? How is this a good photo? He is eating a gold palm tree. There is ZERO indication of what SPORT this is! Taking some pictures in front of a POOL table might be good for the game? Honestly, if marketing a sport is part of the game, pool has the worst marketers.

Let's get the guy from Coca-Cola on board. John Sculley

Chopdoc said:

There is no "wrong ball" in general, just wrong for his game.

Errors, fouls, etc. are part of the game.

What if his shot choice is poor? Should I speak up?

In a friendly "gentleman" game it might be different. In competition errors are part of the game.

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Obviously from Your answer You have never played or understand the concept of 3 Cushion Billiards!

poolscholar said:

I've been around pros for years. Never once have I seen any of them practicing the lag. I'm sure a some do. But who wants too or enjoys it?

We're not talking about leveling the playing field. Games and sports evolve over time. Because they can be improved. Its incredible how difficult it is on this forum to have a straight forward, logically discussion on anything. It's truly depressing.

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Firstly, I want to thank you for your decorum and for keeping a fairly small disagreement civilized.

Secondly, I am not always resistant to change when I see a definite upside. In your proposal I just don’t see it what there is to gain. Yes, practicing the lag is boring, but it’s a shot, just like the break is a shot, jumping, kicking, caroms and tickies, etc.

Being better able to execute any shot better than your opponent provides an edge, which is what the game is all about. Look at what Shane has been able to accomplish with his break. He dominated 10 ball for years.

One of the things I think many of us get wrong about top players, is how long they actually improve. Yes, there are those like Filler and Gorst that come out of the gate -- playing close to their peak, but others get better and better, inch by inch for years. This gets lost in the shuffle because - overall the standard continues to rise.

Sure some of them fade as they age due to their lack of desire or health concerns, but others get better. Varner got better. Efren got better. Dare I say -- SVB has gotten better. I know he doesn't win the titles as much, but his overall game looks better to me in many respects.

Others will say, you should have seen them in their prime, then a video of them in their "prime" surfaces and they look worse. The ever increasing standard, forces players to continually improve or go home. The greats that stick it out, find ways to get better.

SA96 said:

If people think chopping is fine, then I guess they wouldn't have a problem with a player going to a bookmaker and placing a bet on the opposition player to win.

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Both your example of betting on another competitor and the earlier mention of match fixing involve altering the competition or players having perverse (conflicting) incentives. Financial arrangements don't need to involve either.

With that said, Matchroom prohibiting them makes sense because the perception of quiet deals is a bad one, and the fans are not necessarily in a position to distinguish between unethical hanky panky and a private insurance policy.

As an example though (made up), imagine the three Spaniards agreed in advance to pocket 50% of whatever prize money they get and pool the remaining 50%. Then they earn payouts of 15,000, 8,000, and 1,000. The pool part would be $4,000 each, and they'd go home with $11,500, $8,000, and $4,500.

mr3cushion said:

Scenario: World Championship final, 50 point game, score tied at 49-49. Your opponent is at table and cuing the WRONG BALL. Do you tell them?


You can explain the reason for Your answer.

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NO
even the reef can't say nothing until you call it -

mr3cushion said:

cuing the WRONG BALL

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There is no "wrong ball" in general, just wrong for his game.

Errors, fouls, etc. are part of the game.

What if his shot choice is poor? Should I speak up?

In a friendly "gentleman" game it might be different. In competition errors are part of the game.

muskyed said:

...The better players will always remind you first if it looks like you may be screwing up, the not so good players, will just let you screw up. Each their own I guess, I would personally never watch and let someone foul in league play with out saying something first.

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I play with a bunch of guys who only notice I've shot (with) the wrong ball after the offense.

Hmmm

FranCrimi said:

Ah, okay. I was thinking pool. Thanks for the clarification. I gave my answer above.

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Cueing the wrong ball in pool must be allowed. That shooter should be remembered.

I have never shot with the red ball and have a friend who did. He won't outlive that.

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garczar said:

I'm guessing its 10hrs then stop and then comeback. Its possible someone gets 10 up in 10hrs but it could also last a lot longer.

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Take the over!