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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

sudocrushms
jay helfert said:
The poolroom slump seems to be coming to an end with more new rooms opening in the last year then in the prior ten years. For the naysayers it can be done and you don't have to own the building. There is lots of vacant space in industrial areas, and it's a buyers/renters market. You don't have to be on a main street! Build it and they will come!

There are beautiful and successful poolrooms operating all over the country. Maybe not nearly as many as before, but they are out there. And there's room for more. If I was a younger man I would do it again right now! The magic formula is no different than before. Give the people what they want for a fair price and they will come. Good music, sports on TV, nice pool tables, some other games like foosball, darts etc., good pizza and other finger food, beer and wine is fine. Work hard, make money. What's wrong with that?

Nobody wants to stay cooped up in their house playing video games and watching netflix day and night. Give them a nice place to go and have a good time, then watch what happens.

One more thing that I noticed in my previous rooms, where I had both big tables and barboxes. Even amateurs preferred playing on the real pool tables. The barboxes were more for the beer drinkers and for league players.
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I'm hoping you're right, but in MSP the last pool hall to open closed the same summer.

As long as pool doesn't go the way of bowling where a single corp buys out every venue (🖕 Bowlero) then turns it into an "entertainment" venue and prices skyrocket. I get that bowling centers are far more maintenance and space constrained, but i'm sure some would try if the market was there...
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My new player 2001 Nitti!

2rgrbn
I owned the cue that this thread is about and it plays great, it’s one of the prettiest cues I’ve owned and I was a cue dealer ( Colby Cues) and I built cues with Eric Niemera (Sierra cues) for a short time. That Nitti is a monster Cue that any maker or critic will be very complimentary of. I’ve owned thousands of cues it is in the top 6-7 lifetime of what I have had in the class of Gus Szamboti, reminds me of a Kersonbrock in its play and Mike Bender or Peterson in its point work. I haven’t owned a Nitti I didn’t like but that one stood out among them
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How To Play This Shot

Patrick Johnson
DrCue'sProtege said:

Had this spread earlier today. The CB is almost on the rail and it would extremely difficult to try and use inside english to hold the 1B for the corner next to it. Plus the 8B blocks the far corner.

How do you posters play this?

r/DCP
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In the side with right follow (with maybe some adjustment for swerve) to go 2-3 rails around the 5/9 for the 2.

pj
chgo
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Two Greatest Players

Poolmanis
i have said this many times over last 10 years. Jayson just pretends to be good guy... ALWAYS when things get serious all tricks are in use by him.
I don´t care what happened in video because i don´t want to watch him play. I know he is incredible player but he got zero respect from me.
I see many others start see it too... I hope...
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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

mikemosconi
Varner, Sigel, Miz, etc. Etc. Today very few if any American youth would ever spend the time these guys spent in a pool room in their teenage years - I doubt the game will ever come back here as it once existed post Hustler movie and post COM movie- UNLESS- some magic comes this way again. Any up and coming American youngster may have to spend some time in both Europe and Asia to become world class competitive - that has not happened too often in the past several years.
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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

mikemosconi
JolietJames said:
Yep, this was true in both rooms in which I came up through the ranks.
The money table was for top players only. It had tighter pockets and the only time casual players were allowed on it is when all other tables were full and no pool players were in the room.
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Absolutely true - only the table next to the front desk was reserved for the best players and, many times, it had a pocket shim or 2!
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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

Dimeball
sjm said:
Not on board with this line of reasoning. In 2005, most of the top players in pro pool were still American. Entering the 21st century, only a handful of Europeans were full-time players of American pool. Among them were Ortmann, Souquet, Feijen, Lely, Chamat, and Immonen, and nearly none of the others traveled to America to compete. In all the major pool events, the fields before 2000 featured very few Europeans.

The watershed moment came in 2000 when Matchroom, which produced only the Mosconi Cup and the World Pool Masters at the time, made its first ever move into large-scale tournament pool, producing the World 9ball in Cardiff for 2000-2003. Although the Euro-tour had existed since 1992, for many Europeans, and I have spoken with some of them over the years, this is when American pool came into full view among European cueists. In 2004, the World 9ball moved to Asia, but Europe's interest in American pool had been piqued, and from 2005-15, the number of Europeans playing American pool skyrocketed. From 2015-25, the game became increasingly global, and there are now great players in every corner of the globe.

Americans dominated at American pool prior to 2005, to some extent, because they were the ones playing it. While there is no denying that pocket size figures in the equation, attributing America's fall from grace to the tightening of the pockets is missing the boat. Everyone plays 9ball now, and the American domination seen prior to 2005 may never be seen again.
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I think this is exactly correct along with Jay's post above it. It's so sad that "good enough" is not just about pool, it's part of the US culture for at least the last couple generations. The pass down of knowledge and understanding of hard work just isn't here anymore. To make matters worse, all these handicap tourney's using fargo in the US are just terrible, to clarify that, terrible for developing strong players. Big money events can be won with just a good enough spot, yuk. Players are punished for putting in long hours of work and not sand bagging the system while the no good doer's reap the benefits. It's such a bad example for the next generation.

ok rant done... carry on all and have a nice day ;)
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