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jtompilot · Sep 24, 2026

Frosty said:
Simple,
I have a regular game with a guy who is to my estimate, a 725-750 rated player surmised by comparing his game to other players I have games with, that have a legit rating. His on the book rating is 596. He plays in a league 1 night a week and dumps, plays in cheap entry local tournaments and dumps, all to keep that rating below 600.

He travels regularly out of town to play in capped tournaments all over, Vegas, Alabama, just got back from Canada yesterday, played me today, and is flying out tomorrow to Indiana. There’s a whole group of people that do it, constantly staring at each other at the same capped tournaments all over. He told me today it’s gotten to where they play each other in action in off hours at the events. It’s the new hustle, he does quite well.

There’s big money at the Iron City events. An honest person with an honest handicap has very little chance from what I’ve heard.

boogeyman said:
A player's FARGO rating is never perfectly aligned with how a player might play at any given moment.
All it takes is a few months off (or any relative meaningful hiatus for that player), not feeling well on a particular day, or even not playing in FARGO-rated events for years YET practicing and improving and playing higher than one's listed FARGO.

FARGO is not perfect, but no system is.
Nonetheless, FARGO does a damn good job of equalizing players' algorithms across the board.

Im a prime example of this. I beat a 760 once and lost to a 503 once. Short races are a real crap shoot.

However the system is designed, there are players that are professional fixers. I remember back in the day when I joined APA I was a 7 and had to play a 5. The 5 gave me the 8 ball gambling and I had no chance to beat him in the pool room.

Bob Jewett · Sep 24, 2026

The first written rules in English for billiard games were in Charles Cotton's "The Compleat Gamester", published in 1674 in London. Modern reprints are available for under $40, and scanned versions are available online.

During the late 19th and first half of the 20th century, Brunswick (or the Brunswick-Balke-Collender Co.) was the de facto governing body of both carom and pocket billiards in the US, and published many editions of their version of the rules. After World War II, a separate organization was formed, first called the Billiard Association of America (BAA), and then the Billiard Congress of America (BCA). They wrote and published rule books in roughly the same format from 1945 to the present.

In 1987 the World Pool Association was formed as the world governing body for pool with the BCA as the North American member. In 1993 and 1994, the WPA published the first edition of the World Standardized Rules (WSR), which were based on the BCA rules. The BCA continued publishing its rulebook, including the WSR for the major disciplines from 1993 on.

The WSR had major revisions that took effect in 2008 and 2026, with a minor revision in 2016.

VarmintKong · Sep 24, 2026

The Tribe punched their ticket to the postseason tonight by beating a bunch of Mass-holes. Many of us may have failed to notice that reliever HUnter Gaddis is the doppelgänger of our own Hu:

Hunter Gaddis, 67 Live - MLB the Show 23

6’6” and 260. Our guy doesn’t typically come in with the win or the save on the line. Hu allows others to receive the accolades.

When the guy is gassed and theres runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 down; Hu comes in and takes care of business.

Fastball, slider, changeup. I know it’s on when he throws a changeup for a strike early.

Tonight he walked the lead off man and missed with every changeup he threw. Still trusted his stuff, pitched to contact and got a double play.

Hey, hey, hey Let’s go Tribe!

Cuaba · Sep 24, 2026

dquarasr said:
Elderly guy with enlarged prostate says he definitely does not need to potty -
Update: GEEZER NEEDS TO POTTY RIGHT NOW

(Ask me how I know.)

Read my post on P.A.E. In N.P.R.

sjm · Sep 24, 2026

Lowell said:
I thought pros broke and ran even more often on barboxes, at least the 7 foot American ones.

Yes, for the biggest breakers, the packages are longer, but the runouts require much more thought and imagination because there is so often traffic to negotiate. It makes for some interesting viewing. Hence, pattern play is far more critical even though the pocketing of the balls is easier. Buddy Hall, the best pattern player in his day and among the best ever, was almost unbeatable at barbox 8ball in a long session. Similarly, Darren Appleton, also one of the best pattern players our game has ever seen, shone in English 8ball on the 3 x 6 before switching to American pool.

Dave Matlock, one of the greatest ever barbox 8ball players, is reputed to have run a 28-pack on the barbox.

dreamache · Sep 24, 2026

Bob Jewett said:
I think the target customer for that particular drill is going to be in the FargoRate 300 or APA 2 range. The main value seems to be holding their attention long enough to get them hooked on the game.

I use five or six other drills/exercises/games for developing the low end of the speed range. The students are shooting shots that are useful in games. No extra equipment is required for any of them.

My software has 3 modes: drill play for serious players, and the game mode, and the local/internet multiplayer aspect. You're seeing just the fun part (and it's a lot more fun than what you'd think).

If you want to see the full capabilities of it (which exceed any other system today by a wide margin), check out this video here:
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I've been working on this for years, just want to make sure no one is getting the wrong idea about what it is.

Lowell · Sep 24, 2026

sjm said:
Yes, that's how it works. It is often said here on the forum that eight ball is just a breaking contest rather than a comprehensive test of a player's skills. The runouts are so easy that even average pattern players rarely run into any trouble. It's equally true that after a dry break, the incoming player will run out off most lays of the table.

Awfully few racks have any back and forth, which makes 8ball on a nine-footer a far too one-dimensional game, even at Fargo 750 level, let along top pro level. Of course, played on a barbox (7 x 3 1/2) or an English 8ball table (often 3 x 6), the game of 8ball is far more interesting, requiring breakouts and tactical exchanges.

I thought pros broke and ran even more often on barboxes, at least the 7 foot American ones.

Lowell · Sep 24, 2026

skor said:
but but.... the statistic shows over 50% dry breaks in pro 8 ball events.
I guess this is where @AtLarge jumps in with real facts and statistics...

Yes but after the break something like 90% of games are 1 inning.

I think it's still worth watching to see elite pattern play, but it's definitely a breaking contest even more than template rack 9 ball is.

KenneyTran · Sep 24, 2026

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