The leader’s seat remains in Katowice With Finals Scheduled In Autumn

GKS Katowice won the regular season by defeating Fortis Bilard Kielce 12:8 in the decisive match. During the 3rd Convention of the Billiard Ekstraklasa at the Silesia City Center, the semifinal double-headers were also played, the results of which determined the lineup for the autumn final and the third-place playoff. At the end of the year, Fortis Kielce and GKS will face off once again for the gold. The City of Katowice was the partner of the convention. End of the regular season As part of the 3rd Convention, the final three rounds of the regular season were played first. […]

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Sold Schon 1993 SP-23 LTD Cue – Acme Pin, Nice Inlays, 19.5 oz, Two Shafts

Up for sale is a beautiful early 1990s Schon (circa 1993, Evan Clarke transition era) with the desirable Acme joint pin and “Schon” stamped on the shaft collars. This is a special production / LTD-style cue featuring:

• Figured burl wood in the forearm and butt

• Sharp black & white geometric / art deco inlays (pointed spear designs)

• Textured black wrap

• Clean unplayed condition with great inlay work that really pops

Specs:

• Total weight: 19.5 oz

• Two original Schon 13mm shafts

• One shaft is straight and plays great

• Second shaft has a slight age warp (left unaltered as-is — no repairs or straightening done)

The cue is a solid hitter from a sought-after period. Comes with the two shafts and JP’s.

$1,050 shipped
PayPal + $30

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Old Matches - How important is commentary?

Truthfully, he’s a little hard to take. Pat had him paired with Mark Wilson for a couple of years of the International Open and it made the matches unwatchable with the sound on. I don’t think, at least for me, having him in the booth alone would make a difference, unless liberal amounts of duct tape were applied to his mouth.

Mike was one of the greatest players there ever was, but his ego and inability to NOT talk about himself makes him unsuitable for commentary. YMMV
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that made me chuckle

PBS Hits The Alps With Three Massive Events

THE PREDATOR PRO BILLIARD SERIES comes to the beautiful Alpine town of St Johann im Pongau for another triple whammy of high-quality championships featuring men’s, women’s and mixed doubles competitions. A long-time home to the Predator Euro Tour, all the action takes place at the expansive Alpina Hotel, complete with sweeping views of the Alps. Running from Tuesday 16th June and culminating in the title-deciders of all three tournaments on Tuesday 23rd, the Predator Pro Billiard Series is followed by men’s and women’s Predator Euro Tour events from 25th to 28th June. The Billard Beckmann Open has a monster field with eight players […]

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What beginner pool tip do you wish you learned sooner?

I think it turns out that the biceps is not the main muscle that brings the stick forward. It is some other muscle next to the biceps.
Yes, if relying on an elbow flexor contraction as the primary driver of the stroke, it isn't actually the biceps, it is the other elbow flexor, the brachialis. Tho many people do indeed use the biceps and are often plagued by their wrist turning over as the primary function of the biceps is suppination (turning the palm face up in a dead hang... or curling the wrist in towards the body in a pool stroke)

If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

With respect to Shane’s 824 rating from 10 years ago, I think you need to account for the time it took for everyone’s rating to settle. While I’m sure players improved over time, a lot of the rating increase was likely driven by the need to get enough games into the system and enough connections established. At that point, when top players were sitting between 780 and 800, it was difficult for Shane to go much higher than that. Once the professional field became more connected and spread out on the scale, his rating and those of other top players adjusted upward.

In terms of the broader question, I do think you would end up with a similar scale if Fargo had been applied during the 70s and 80s. If you managed to capture a similarly representative player population, the lower and middle portions of the player base would provide a fairly stable anchor. The lowest skill levels are constrained by human ability and the learning curve of the game itself. A player who can barely pocket balls in 1976 looks an awful lot like a player who can barely pocket balls in 2026. From there, you still have players who beat those beginners most of the time, players who beat those players most of the time, and so on. So while the skill level of pros and top amateurs may change, there will always be that player who consistently beats beginners, hovers around the 400 level, and gets pummeled by the more serious players. What changes is the number of strong players above them and how separated those groups become.

One caveat might be the relative newness of 9-ball as the primary competitive game during the 70s compared to now. You could argue that without the benefit of modern breaking techniques, racking knowledge, safety play, kicking systems, and overall strategic knowledge, the scale at the top end might end up being a bit more compressed. On the other hand, during the era of two-foul 9-ball, you may have seen more separation between the top players and the rest of the pack if it meaningfully reduced the influence of luck. Once the game shifted to one-foul ball-in-hand, I suspect the ratings may have compressed somewhat. Ultimately, how much the scale changes probably depends on whether those variables increase or decrease volatility in match outcomes.
What do you mean statistical settling? Fargo was used for many years before Shane's 824 in 2015. I think once you get 1000+ robustness and over 2MM data points, the rating would be fairly accurate. I could be missing something though.

Separately, given the Fargo creep, having 800 rated players in the 700s might give us over 1000 rated players now! That would be a hoot! Who is gonna be the first 1,000!!!

I don't think ratings have compressed. I think they have actually expanded, no?

-td

Gigi Callejas wins The West Coast Women’s Tour stop #2 in Undefeated Run

Gigi Callejas from Los Angeles went undefeated to win stop #2 in The West Coast Women’s Tour. Twenty-eight women, mostly from the San Francisco Bay and Sacramento areas participated in this money-added, double-elimination tournament at host venue Racks N Cues in Windsor, California. After a first-round bye, Ms. Callejas overcame a series of tour regulars to take the hot seat before defeating Khanh Ngo, herself a winner of multiple tour stops, in the final. The winner of this year’s TWCWT stop #1, Donna Bulanadi was unable to attend this second stop of the season. Tournament director Cony Mendoza was happy […]

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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

With respect to Shane’s 824 rating from 10 years ago, I think you need to account for the time it took for everyone’s rating to settle. While I’m sure players improved over time, a lot of the rating increase was likely driven by the need to get enough games into the system and enough connections established. At that point, when top players were sitting between 780 and 800, it was difficult for Shane to go much higher than that. Once the professional field became more connected and spread out on the scale, his rating and those of other top players adjusted upward.

In terms of the broader question, I do think you would end up with a similar scale if Fargo had been applied during the 70s and 80s. If you managed to capture a similarly representative player population, the lower and middle portions of the player base would provide a fairly stable anchor. The lowest skill levels are constrained by human ability and the learning curve of the game itself. A player who can barely pocket balls in 1976 looks an awful lot like a player who can barely pocket balls in 2026. From there, you still have players who beat those beginners most of the time, players who beat those players most of the time, and so on. So while the skill level of pros and top amateurs may change, there will always be that player who consistently beats beginners, hovers around the 400 level, and gets pummeled by the more serious players. What changes is the number of strong players above them and how separated those groups become.

One caveat might be the relative newness of 9-ball as the primary competitive game during the 70s compared to now. You could argue that without the benefit of modern breaking techniques, racking knowledge, safety play, kicking systems, and overall strategic knowledge, the scale at the top end might end up being a bit more compressed. On the other hand, during the era of two-foul 9-ball, you may have seen more separation between the top players and the rest of the pack if it meaningfully reduced the influence of luck. Once the game shifted to one-foul ball-in-hand, I suspect the ratings may have compressed somewhat. Ultimately, how much the scale changes probably depends on whether those variables increase or decrease volatility in match outcomes.

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