These were from the website. Chapter IV Fouls, Article 41 subpart 11. Are these not current? This is what I was saying that to me the UMB rule requires the ref to make the call, thus implying that the opponent can’t call it. Asking seriously. Why do you say ref can’t call it.
I am torn. If it’s someone shooting a purple 5 with a pink-ish 4 that looks a lot like orange (like the f-ing 4-ball looked in person at the Florida Open), yeah, probably would say something.
Nah, I would point it out regardless.
I will never understand the steadfastness of Matchroom’s inability to admit they f-ed up making the 5-ball purple.
SVB lost quite a few games because of his own mistakes. Yapp's only B&Rs were a 3-pack in Games 10-12. SVB got to the table in 20 of the 23 games, 11 on his own break and 9 on Yapp's 12 breaks. Yapp just made fewer errors than SVB.
Yes. But you seemed to say the ref couldn’t say anything until the opponent made the call. I don’t think that is the case. I think we agree the ref can’t do anything until the player plays the shot. Once the foul is committed the ref needs to call it. If the ref misses it at 49-49 in a world championship there is a problem. Looking at the USBA rule there is an explicit statement that the opponent can make the call. I suppose in a world championship the opponent could protest if the ref misses it and the player shooting the wrong cue ball scores.
Playing without a ref people need to know you have to call it. If you miss it the player keeps the points scored until the call. Of course in the small time tournaments I’ve played people will generally alert the opponent, but they don’t always notice. And you don’t have to alert the opponent.
I think in the absence of a ref the opponent still can't alert his opponent because in the absence of a ref, the players are required to referee their match. A referee can't warn a player that he's shooting the wrong ball, therefore, his opponent, acting as a referee at that point, also can't warn the player.
Well, first, I would stop the match and notify the tournament director. I would also request that the ref be replaced. As to what to do with the match, it will be up to the TD. If I were the TD, I'd flip a coin to see who shoots, or reset the table and have them lag. Keep the score.
Is this right? Translation of UMB rules seem to suggest only ref can make the call. USBA rule seems to indicate that player or ref can call the foul. English translation of UMB rules seem…. I don’t know how clear. The ref surely can’t say anything before the player fouls. Of course it needs to be called because the player will retain points made before the call. But at 49-49 there won’t be a run.
For those saying the crowd should stick their nose in….. no way should a spectator influence a game let alone a championship final.
