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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

lfigueroa
nataddrho said:
I made a mistake, I screwed up how I worded that. I was trying to voice third person, and tried to answer it in the first. I think the opposite of “You either know how to play or you don’t.”

My high runs are 71 balls in 14.1, 10 in 3c, 21 in 1c, and 4 points in Taiwanese carom. I switched games so I don't know what my Fargo is. Not exceptional, just standard enthusiast level similar to most of us here. So I am only 71% qualified.
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OK, so let me ask you: what do you estimate to be the number of shots, at different speeds, on a 9’ pool table, from the tiniest nooge for a safety, to a 1pocket takeout a table’s width away? Then, just for fun, let’s add in shots at different speeds with different english. Others have mentioned jump shots and shots near a rail so let’s add them.

Which leads me to ask whether you believe the exact same stroke is best to achieve optimum outcomes for all of those shots?

Personally, my experience has been that different strokes help me produce the outcomes I want for different shots, given different speeds and spins. IOWs, my stroke for the nooge with english is going to be different than my stroke for a jacked up power draw.

What say you?

Lou Figueroa
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Meet My Coaches

ShootingArts
gregcantrall said:
Yes that's it.

I concur. 👍
Even Ronnie O'Sullivan spent time with coaches. The other view point can be helpful even to an accomplished player. IMHO it is important to accept the authority of the chosen coach and give their coaching full attention. Sometimes it might be tempting to uh relate to other players a unorthodox method. I think that's a big No No. They will often find a need to discredit. Anything less than full commitment to the coach and their guidance can lead to unsatisfactory results.
My 6 weeks 6 lessons at 20 per was one of my best investments of money And time. An hour a day done properly can build a strong competitor.
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One big flaw I see is trying to piece mill skills. Take one bit from one player, another bit from a different player. The bits assembled from a bunch of great players often adds up to crap. Several different things I competed at, I found it best to try to learn from or copy one strong player. If I ever got where I could beat them then maybe I focused on another player to learn from. A bunch of instructors results in the same deal. Find one instructor and put your trust in them. If the time comes to move on that is fine but don't listen to a bunch of voices at once.

Hu
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

nataddrho
lfigueroa said:
You were very forthcoming with you academic credentials — very impressive.

But what about your pool playing credentials? What is your level of play? I don’t believe it’s as simple as, “You either know how to play or you don’t.”

Lou Figueroa
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I made a mistake, I screwed up how I worded that. I was trying to voice third person, and tried to answer it in the first. I think the opposite of “You either know how to play or you don’t.”

My high runs are 71 balls in 14.1, 10 in 3c, 21 in 1c, and 4 points in Taiwanese carom. I switched games so I don't know what my Fargo is. Not exceptional, just standard enthusiast level similar to most of us here. So I am only 71% qualified.
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Perfect Stroke = No Stroke?

ShootingArts
fastone371 said:
By the same token if a big stroke is weakness shouldnt a short compact stroke be an advantage? Were are all of the players who are developing that short compact stroke for tight pockets??? It appears that even the players who earn a living playing pool have not changed their stroke to accommodate tight pockets.
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You have a point but take a look at Stephen? Hendry, snooker playing legend. A long pause before the last forward stroke and it is tight and compact. Snooker players in general seem to have a medium stroke best of my recollection. Not real short or long.

I think one of the biggest flaws pool players of lower skill levels have is too long of a bridge and stroke. Most, including me, would be far better off with a shorter stroke. The man that sorta mentored me for a few years recommended a four to six inch closed bridge and a short stroke. He was a very solid shortstop. I think I would compromise at an eight or ten inch bridge for most shots. Old and lazy, I sometimes use a very long bridge just to avoid walking.

Hu
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JOSS CUE - Replica of Mike Sigel's cue

toomanybugs
Matt_24 said:
I just wanted to share with my AZ pals that Stephen Janes is building me a copy of Mike Sigel's old JOSS cue from the 80s. The first photo (with all of the shafts) was the very cue that Sigel used for years and played some amazing pool with. This photo was from John Wright I believe. I have had it saved for some time. Sigel did use a JOSS after that as well, but this was the one I think of when I think of Sigel. I showed this photo to Stephen and the very next day he photo-shopped the design below for me. He's going to use the white with brown spec wrap like Mike, and remove the "Legacy" from the buttcap. This was always my favorite cue so I'm pretty excited about it! It should be done in November, but I'm not especially rushed. I waited like 17 years for a Southwest...I have patience.


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Nice build Matt. Best regards, Adam
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