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straightline · Jun 8, 2026

maha said:
its the best to compare thats why.

Clearly it isn't. The targeting required of pool is way more sophisticated than gun shooting.

Chili Palmer · Jun 8, 2026

DeeDeeCues said:
Yeah, that is eight minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I switch all the time between wood and CF.

Honest question, are your wood shafts low deflection? If not, then maybe our shooting styles are different because when I go from my old school high deflection shafts to a CF shaft I will occasionally miss balls I shouldn't miss and my leaves aren't as accurate. I also don't have a lot of time with CF shafts and I'm sure if I played with them more my play would even out, but again, I simply prefer old school wood shafts.

Chili Palmer · Jun 8, 2026

Lowell said:
Her game was clearly improving rapidly with the wood shaft, so I think it would be difficult to single out a carbon shaft helping her or not. I think that it really doesn't matter one way way or another, as proven by the world's best players using all types of shafts.

The best women's player under 25 is Seo Seoa, and she uses a wood shaft.

I'm a numbers/science guy and believe 100% that CF is more consistent then wood, it has to be, if made properly. Wood has grains, grains go different directions, grains have different thicknesses, grain has different density, you rotate it one way it will do X, you rotate it another way, it will do Y, hit it at one speed in a specific rotation it will do X, hit it at another speed in a different rotation it will do Y. Muecci's original red dot shaft focused on that. Do I think at a certain level of play it will make someone miss, no, but it may result in the CB ending up 1/8" from where they wanted it, and that can make a difference. As mentioned, I play exclusively with OLD wood shafts, I can't stand the feel of a newer wood shaft, I'm no world beater but I'm no slouch either, and wood is where it's at for me. But, in the end, scientifically speaking, CF (if made properly) is more consistent then wood. Prove me wrong?

DeeDeeCues said:
Yeah, that is eight minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I switch all the time between wood and CF.

Good on ya, mate

itzel0101 · Jun 8, 2026

Lowell · Jun 8, 2026

Chili Palmer said:
My personal opinion, and this is coming from someone who only plays with old school Huebler's and wood shafts, is that CF is simply more consistent. Whether it's low deflection or not is irrelevant, it's more consistent and that's where the money is. As mentioned, I have mainly played with Huebler's since the late 80's and I have tried a ton of CF shafts, they're just not for me. But at my age (apparently I'm elderly) I'm not interested in the work I would need to put in to convert to a CF shaft, I'm also not a fan of the black shafts, but that's a personal opinion. However, I do think it would be beneficial for younger players to use CF and I think Savannah switching to CF will only benefit her.

Her game was clearly improving rapidly with the wood shaft, so I think it would be difficult to single out a carbon shaft helping her or not. I think that it really doesn't matter one way way or another, as proven by the world's best players using all types of shafts.

The best women's player under 25 is Seo Seoa, and she uses a wood shaft.

DeeDeeCues · Jun 8, 2026

Chili Palmer said:
...I'm not interested in the work I would need to put in to convert to a CF shaft, ...

Yeah, that is eight minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I switch all the time between wood and CF.

maha · Jun 8, 2026

100 grand may seem like plenty to someone working in a lower bracket and doesnt have much in expenses. but it rarely will enable you to have a big nest egg when you retire without investing alot of it and or having something else going for you to make more.

almost 100 percent of all pool players present or past will retire near the poverty level at least in the u.s. or be mostly broke throughout their career.
the only ones that survived where smart ones that made money in business.

Chili Palmer · Jun 8, 2026

jtompilot said:
I’ll be in Denver Thursday-Saturday. I usually go to Felt for some 1P but I might change it up for a good 8 or 9 ball tournament. Any intel on the tournament scene? Thanks

I messaged a buddy of mine, and fellow AZB'er, that you'll be in town, hoping he responds via text or here. He is a huge 1P fan and plays at Felt and he has a local social club he's a member of. Will keep you posted if he doesn't message here.

maha · Jun 8, 2026

its the best to compare thats why.

Chili Palmer · Jun 8, 2026

My personal opinion, and this is coming from someone who only plays with old school Huebler's and wood shafts, is that CF is simply more consistent. Whether it's low deflection or not is irrelevant, it's more consistent and that's where the money is. As mentioned, I have mainly played with Huebler's since the late 80's and I have tried a ton of CF shafts, they're just not for me. But at my age (apparently I'm elderly) I'm not interested in the work I would need to put in to convert to a CF shaft, I'm also not a fan of the black shafts, but that's a personal opinion. However, I do think it would be beneficial for younger players to use CF and I think Savannah switching to CF will only benefit her.

Chili Palmer · Jun 8, 2026

Fore Rail said:
50-60 years of age is elderly?

Crap...I resemble that remark.

Lowell · Jun 8, 2026

smoochie said:
True, until you play with a CF then you will see that this specific type of shaft will actually automatically help you with timing. I know its hard to imagine it. I was shocked as it actually does.

I am not here to sell anyone to play with CF, but its a reality that ppl who still have the lines of "Oh but but i love the feel of wood" will never understand this. I've had friends who are elderly, i'm speaking of 50-60 yrs of age, these fellas play at one poolhall for many many many years, most of them had been plateaued at one level where in rotation 9ball they pot 3-4 balls then miss a silly shot, maybe an inside english shot etc. Some of these fellas remained at these levels for 30 yrs or as long as i've known them. The moment they switched to CF and just within months they started running racks more consistently, these same guys can run 3 racks in a row now which they've never achieved on wood for their whole 30 yrs of daily playing pool.

Anyway I'm convinced about this and nobody can change my mind, whenever you've accepted the switch and accepted that its good for you, only then you will realize this fact. It is a matter of time, probably in 20-30 yrs nobody will ever touch wood again.

Plenty of wood shafts are low deflection, it's not like wood means using a beat up bar cue or nothing else

bogx · Jun 8, 2026

Looking for a 30" Predator Z3 Radial shaft.

Booch19090 · Jun 8, 2026

cuesblues · Jun 8, 2026

Bought this cue recently
I made an offer 20 years ago
This is a great cue.
All four shafts stayed straight and over 13m
I'm posting the original build sheets with the Loa, with Gus's notes.
All original
Leather wrap

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