thorsten's inclusion is the result of the other american players not competing, so if anyone should be blamed it's definitely not him

DrCue'sProtege said:

I haven't read this entire thread.

What kind of cloth were they playing on?

And what was the color?

And I assume that was a Diamond ProAm built with drop pockets vs a ball return. Correct?

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I am going to ask again.

What kind of cloth were they playing on?

And what was the color?

And I assume that was a Diamond ProAm built with drop pockets vs a ball return. Correct?

jimmyg said:

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I wanna buy the big guy a beer!

skip100 said:

I'm no Rogan fan but it's not like he's any worse than people like Pat McAfee or Stephen A. Smith, or ESPN alumni like Colin Cowherd or Skip Bayless.

Par for the course if pool is going to be on ESPN.

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Yeah, I'm not a Rogan fan either, but I do think he could be good for the sport. He's got a huge audience and I don't think it's as demographically homogeneous as people often think it is. And it is to be expected that he, or someone like him, would be used by ESPN to bring some sense of familiarity to new viewers who might have tuned in to check it out on ESPN.

I hope we get more pool on ESPN in the future. But I do worry if the viewership numbers will be there now with so many of us subscribing to WNT.TV. I don't have access to ESPN, I'm not a huge sports guy except for the Packers and I can get most of those games over the air or on a streaming services I already have, I maybe miss one or two a season. I watched on WNT.TV.

iusedtoberich said:

First one, but I've seen it both ways. I personally have never quantified "how many tips I hit" when I'm down on the shot. I just pick a spot on the cb and go for it.

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Me too, but when coaching someone on a particular shot I find it helpful to use the term as a reference...

MattPoland said:

I think people debated FSR after his historic 2022-2023 run. He achieved more than most in a single year. There was a debate whether if he accomplished nothing else would he likely get in once eligible. Some saying yes for getting 8-ball WC (1st), 9-ball WC (1st), US Open (1st) and 10-ball WC (2nd in the same year). More than anyone else in a career. But some still like to see more than a flash in the pan. Some look at impact to the sport and longevity. But honestly if it was debatable before, this second US Open win years later certainly cements it for him.

And to your point. There are people that argue for Jayson for his longevity and impact. Especially his Mosconi Cup dominance is impactful in the industry. But in an international era where people have multiple US Opens, multiple World Championships, etc. There are definitely people that think Jayson needs one or two more major achievements to get out of the grey zone. And that’s with some major titles under him already. It’s just not a resume that stacks up to even an Albin or Biado. As crazy as that sounds when you know who he is to the sport.

So yeah, FSR is clearly across a black and white threshold now. It’s only a matter of time. Maybe first ballot. Maybe not. But eventually is a certainty.

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FSR and Shaw are both clear HOFers. The standard is not SVB or Earl, or else there'd be no more than about five people in the HOF.

Kim Davenport
Rodney Morris
Tom Rossman

Are all in there (and I just looked at the 2011-2018 inductions). A bunch of "industry titans" are in there. If a US Open champ, a 7x Mosconi Cup champ, and the world-record holder of 832 (!!) in straight pool, plus dozens of other tournament wins, isn't a HOFer then the HOF is not doing its job of identifying and immortalizing the top players of each generation.

alcaide deserves a shootout too. semifinalist at 47 (48?).

everybody should look at what the spaniards are doing, and have been doing for a while. they live fairly close, they have training sessions/sparring, they travel together. iron sharpens iron

The Old Jaybird said:

I've said before that my ideal pool hall would have good blues music playing in the background, but soft enough you can talk over it

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My man!!!

90% of my CD collection are Blues discs.

I can understand the feelings of Thorsten playing under the German flag for past years, but I think he switched when he got his official US Citizenship. Being in the US for over 20 years, paying taxes, following the official process for getting a green card and then official citizenship, while playing the required WNT tournaments, makes him eligible in my opinion to represent the US. Fedor represented Europe in the Mosconi as well, I think is working on a green card, and has not qualified with the correct amount of WNT tournaments (recently skipping majors to be at the APA) or the automatic winnings amount, but obviously a stronger player, makes him less qualified to be on the Mosconi.

uk_9_ball_convert said:

So would Pecelj potentially be the only rookie playing the Mosconi cup for the 1st time then (don't think he's played before)? Presuming Lukas Verner doesn't improve his ranking or gets a wild card.

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My understanding is Lukas is not playing nor is going to be eligible because he has missed too many majors.

decent dennis said:

Didn’t Josh Treadway kind of do an apprenticeship under Buss?

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Yes, in fact I think he bought out Jim’s shop/equipment to get started.

Lou Figueroa

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Wilma Flintstone called; she wants her bracelet back.

Nice JF Merry Widow, Kenney.

GLWTS

don't people mellow with age? you would think after traumatic motorcycle injury, being smashed in the head with a beer mug, and whatever accident he had when he lost his fingers, he would calm down a bit and behave in a more reasonable manner?

Been a lot of arguing over the years over this. How far from center can you hit the cue ball? When one tip is an inconsistent term naturally when you get out where the cue ball and tip are both curving rapidly you get different conclusions. I am another that avoids "tips of" as a measurement.

No agreement where the tips of english starts, no agreement how many tips are possible to apply.

One version of a tip of english is that it applies half the spin of two tips of english so it is neither a half tip nor a full tip. Then some go by physical measurements but these people are still divided between those that consider a half tip one tip and some consider a full tip one tip. I have been here over twenty years and have yet to see a consensus as to what one tip of english is.

When coaching I find it easiest to point to where to hit the cue ball. On the internet I go with the ever popular, "I am right and anyone that disagrees with me is wrong." Don't bother me with little details like me changing my mind.

For starters what is one tip? 13mm" 12mm? what if I use a smaller tip? There is no fixed measurement of a tip and no fixed starting point for the offset!

"Tips" are a pee-poor unit of measure also a poor starting point. Suppose in math we decided that anything between zero and 1/2 was acceptable to use as zero? I find it makes more sense to measure in MM or fractions of an inch.

Hu

So would Pecelj potentially be the only rookie playing the Mosconi cup for the 1st time then (don't think he's played before)? Presuming Lukas Verner doesn't improve his ranking or gets a wild card.