Fargo on Bar boxes

Two different animals, you can pocket balls well but not have precise control where the cue ball lands, one skill does not mean you will have the other both must be worked on as they are 2 different skill sets.
They are the exact same skill set. Hitting the ball clean into the pocket means the CB goes where you expect.

Read what Nick Varner wrote about Buddy Hall's position play in the words he wrote about him when Buddy died.

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filler > gorst > chua ..but then there's the entertainment aspect. both chua and filler are fast, confident players that feeds of nervous energy / high pressure. chua is more risk taking. i love that personally, and it's great for the sport too.

i've been watching the youth euro champs these last few days and i like what i've been seeing from young felix vogel. i'll place him in that same category of confident, fast paced players

How to clean a mushroom?

I don't let my tips mushroom. After a tip is installed, it will usually mushroom depending to the tip hardness, density, general use, etcetera. This method usually keeps it in fine shape. After using the tip until you you see a slight mushroom, stand on the long rail side of the pool table. Place your cue across the table until the tip is just under the far rail. Rub the tip on the cloth under the rail with sweeping strokes while rotating the cue.. Within a few strokes you will see the mushroom get smaller. Be careful not to press too hard because it creates excess heat that could damage the ferrule. Elevating the cue butt keeps the ferrule away from the cloth. This will give your tip a nice finish but probably not better than a pro shop.
I do this to my home table and at the pool hall. It doesn't seem to damage the table. Never had an owner complain.

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I was waiting for you to challenge my statement, sjm. Based on what? Watching all three play a ton the past few years, especially Chua.

Lots of players, of course, could beat Filler and Gorst when in the highest gear.

In my view, Chua has the third highest gear in pro pool as of right now.

Doubt it. Depends on what you mean by demolish. I'd favor Filler. I could see him winning 120-100 in a long race. But not much more than that.


One could argue the difference in Fargo between Filler and Chua is of statistical significance.

Being very familiar with statistical significance in my day job, I can assert quite confidently that a 12-point gap between Filler and Gorst, and a 12-point gap between Gorst and Chua, is statistically insignificant. Margin of error.

Filler is the better player, but not for a moment do I believe that Filler is better at everything in 9 ball compared to Chua. Chua is just too good.

More generally:

Nobody now playing in the WNT is as good as Chua at thin cuts. Filler wouldn't even try some of the shots Chua regularly takes and makes, preferring to play safe instead. And for good reason. As you point out, Filler is a great safety player. Chua isn't.

Chua is more accurate than Filler or Gorst, imo, at shots that require very hard hits to get good position. He is as good as anyone I've seen now playing. I'd only maybe put SVB and pre-injury Kaci in Chua's company.

Chua is better than Filler at swinging the ball around the table to get good or better position. Chua is the most aggressive player on the tour at doing this.

Chua is definitely behind Filler and Gorst on defense. Which is why I do not believe Chua is below either of them on offense.

He is arguably the most aggressive offensive player in the game. And that's how he makes up for a less comprehensive defensive game.



Agreed. Based on major wins, you are of course correct. Chua's career performance pales in comparison to Filler. Gorst has also separated himself from most other players in the past few years.

There are different kinds of conversations when talking about the best players in any sport. There's talk about who's the best, period. Filler is already in that conversation. Gorst might be entering it soon.

Then there's the conversation about who is playing at a high level now. In the present.

A few years ago, FSR was playing better than anyone. For a two-year stretch he was the most successful player in pool. A few years before that, it was Albin Ouschan.

Chua is in that conversation now imo, but as you point out, he has a way to go. Heck, he's is not even at FSR or Ouschan territory yet.

Can he get there? As much as I love Chua for his style of play and personality, I am skeptical. He would need to bring his defensive game to a whole new level and just be more consistent overall.

Filler and Gorst are so good in large part because they are so consistent.


Chua is 33. Not old for a pool player, but I think the next big challenger to Filler-Gorst will come from someone who is much younger.
Nice post. I think we like Chua for many of the same reasons.

Chua is certainly super-aggressive on offense and that, as you suggest, makes him great to watch. The exact same thing can be said of both Jayson Shaw and Naoyuki Oi, who wow you by going for everything. All three of them produce great theatre. You are right in suggesting that Chua takes on shots that the top two pass on, but that might possibly be because his defense/kick/jump skills are not as elite as they might be.

Chua, per your description. is not a truly complete player, while I'd rate someone like a Ko Ping Chung as super-elite at both offense and defense, which is why he has both a World 10ball and a US Open 9ball on his resume. Personally, I like KPC's game over Chua.

Still, Chua is a very special player. Maybe he'll shine at the upcoming World 9ball. That would make both of us happy.

Why Pool Leagues Should Embrace “ALL BALL FOULS”

So are you in favor of also allowing all of the following in amateur leagues:
Since you brought it up...
"not driving 4 balls to rails on a break shot."
YES. This is hard to adjudicate, discriminates against people who might not be able to generate that amount of force, risks injuring the equipment, and adds no fairness to the game. If the rules for a particular game don't make it advantageous to hit the rack as hard as can be done with control, expect people to try game it. So, make the rules make it advantageous, and there no reason for this rule.

"not having a foot in contact with the floor during a hit."
I think there might be a better rule. This is obviously discriminatory and biased to certain body types.

"not driving a ball to a rail after ball contact."
This rule is a proxy for a different undesired behavior (tiny safeties). I don't see any reason to have a rule which makes a simple shot which falls a bit short of the pocket into a foul as opposed to a miss. Calling it on an opponent seems amazingly petty.

Thank you kindly.

Fargo on Bar boxes

One feeds the other. Striking the cueball well and thus the object ball opens the door to the precision required to handle clusters and tight spaces. Does every great shot maker do it at the same level? Of course not. But the first step to that control starts with precise hits on the object ball soooooo
Two different animals, you can pocket balls well but not have precise control where the cue ball lands, one skill does not mean you will have the other both must be worked on as they are 2 different skill sets.

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