We are at the same place as we were 20 years ago, and 15 years ago, and 10 years ago, and 5 years ago. No kids coming up to take the place of Shane. Fedor was a transplant. No one had been close to Shane level, and Shane burst on the scene in 2007. That’s 23 years of exactly 1 world class player produced in the USA.

I have two. The fancy ivory joint 4point
And new 2025 4 points player cue.

sjm said:

Yes, I would welcome the complete omission of results on a 7-footer from Fargo calculations.

It is certainly OK to have a separate ranking table for bar-box Fargo rates, as long as I don't have to look at them.

The game played on a barbox is a different game.

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i fully agree, but it's a commercial product with subscribers and league fees, so that's probably not gonna happen

It would be great to hear from a higher skilled player who's play has improved using either of these systems. Thanks!

CanadianGuy said:

skill level rankings per chat gpt, American pool, all time

1.Efren Reyes
2. Earl Strickland
3. Shane Van Boening
4. Buddy Hall
5. Francisco Bustamante
6. Alex Pagulayan
7. Johnny Archer
8. Mike Sigel
9. Nick Varner
10. Corey Deuel

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Nick Varner getting no respect from AI

They are taking vendor signups so far. In Oaks again.



Ignore the preview, it's really for 2026:

Thanks, this is great stuff.
Brings back lots of memories of Ronnie back in the day. And one pocket matches at Harry's place just north of Seattle.

King T said:

The best BarBox players are also th best big table players, there no difference when it comes to players in this country. They just can't keep up with the rest of the world.

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Actually, no. At Derby City, over the years, I have watched a couple of top-five-ranked players in the world try their luck vs barbox specialists like Skyler and Corey and they have not fared well.

NevadaP said:

Love the Shiner!

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Try the Shiner Cheer it's my favorite.

Kris_b1104 said:

Speaking of,

Does anyone think they should have separate Fargorates for 7ft vs 9ft tables?

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Yes, I would welcome the complete omission of results on a 7-footer from Fargo calculations.

It is certainly OK to have a separate ranking table for bar-box Fargo rates, as long as I don't have to look at them.

The game played on a barbox is a different game.

Trade for hensew jump cue plus cash
Or black blade carbon fwd weight cue

This P711 (made from closeout D butts, last of the non-CNC points) is for sale below - not affiliated at all:


For the price, I think you could do better hit and balance wise going with a Carmeli merry widow or Jim Pierce cue. I played with a P704 for years and never looked back after getting my Carmeli 6 point and later a Jim Pierce 6 point.

Shelby is truly a special talent!!!!