I'll stick to the Pagulayan, by the time I'll go through the 4 pieces that I have, we'll probably have new tech that does not requires chalk...

The measle cue ball is played for 4-5 hrs with my friends & never needs cleaning since most of the players I know
use TAOM V10 or Pagulayan Green chalk. The table cloth remains clean. It’s been this way since Sierra Billiards &
Bar opened a few years ago. I can only presume it’s not the TAOM green chalk that’s the issue, if there really is any,
but rather the person applying too much chalk which is a common trait. They may not core their chalk but remember
It only requires very little chalk lightly applied in brush strokes for TAOM to do its job which not all users of TAOM do.

InsertCleverNameHere said:

Anyway, the racks were certainly inconsistent, I’ll agree with you there. I’m sure the stripes were told to do it “in a timely manner” or I imagine they were anyway. Not to mention nobody can rack nearly as well as the players can themselves. And yeah that rack they used is likely trash but I think it’s the least of the problems because a good racker can overcome it(especially with clean new balls on new cloth) given the inclination to do so and the time.

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There is a guy in my league who has an Aerorack. He is able to get good racks (at least for a 2nd ball BB break). I tried his rack a few times and I couldn’t get as good a rack as did with the wood rack. Given that he gets a decent rack with it, it could be that it just requires practice with the rack and my failure (and maybe the failure of the refs here) is due to lack of familiarity.

GideonF said:

I didn’t say the CB being pinned was directly caused by the bad racks. I said it was a result of what they had to DO on the break because of the racks.

With the top 6 balls frozen most pro players would break head ball square to make one or both balls behind the head ball in the side and squat the CB. Yes, the CB can get kicked back but if it doesn’t you are centre table.

With the second ball cut break collisions with the CB are always going to happen.

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They broke standard far more often than second ball. And I’d wager that 0 of the second ball breaks were the “pinned at the top rail” ones. Cue ball rarely leaves the racking end when you hit the second ball.

Anyway, the racks were certainly inconsistent, I’ll agree with you there. I’m sure the stripes were told to do it “in a timely manner” or I imagine they were anyway. Not to mention nobody can rack nearly as well as the players can themselves. And yeah that rack they used is likely trash but I think it’s the least of the problems because a good racker can overcome it(especially with clean new balls on new cloth) given the inclination to do so and the time.

Bump

Hail Mary Shot said:

I have the green and it is painful to clean. Makes me want to use the typical master chalk.

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What is painful to clean? The V10 leaves no real marks on the CB or the table, at least for me?

Kris_b1104 said:

John Morra vs Lechner started an hour and a half ago and they're still at 5-5. Two super slow players [emoji58]

In more exciting news, FSR beat Billy 10-7.

Oscar vs Tyler battling it out 4-4, that match might be over at midnight.

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Johnny may not be fast but he beat Max and then Fedor and is into the final 8. Let’s goooooo!

PhilosopherKing said:

It’s a “WC.” World Class I believe.

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That sounds right.

maha said:

you cant go by what an object ball does or direction of a ball. as then a ref may take it upon himself to make all kinds of strange calls.

how would like a ref make a call like, -- it had to be a push or double hit as on this table its impossible for you to have followed the shot that far with your stroke--.

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I hate to break it to you, but what the OB or CB does is the best way to judge a number of things. Double hits when the CB is close to the OB (as Marcel correctly did on a double hit by Sky at a WNT event). Which ball was hit first (like in the Yapp situation).

It is the most reliable way to judge these things, at least absent super slow motion video (which isn’t available in any normal environment). I would like ref’s to make the call correctly, and not just say “I couldn’t clearly SEE the double hit or the wrong ball hit so it’s good”.

i couldn't tell who was who from the video. and it looked like they had the scores for the wrong side posted. and it was a close match.
i did not have audio for mine.

i thought lill john was the smaller black guy, later thought the other. but he wasnt little. neither played anything over short stop speed for what i saw.

cue fix said:

as far as i know that is not mcdaniel logo. i think it is a phillipine made copy

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The cue in question is definitely not a copy. It was a well known maker, we just can’t remember who it was.

25$ and 40$ for two apparently I’d sell you HC for $10 + shipping

Constantly dumbfounded by the new colour, new shape, new ‘tech’ people lap up in this game

20 dollar a game at the expo on tables.? that kind of small bets ruin the gambling aspect. take those bets to the local bar or pool room.

instead of hogging tables.

you cant go by what an object ball does or direction of a ball. as then a ref may take it upon himself to make all kinds of strange calls.

how would like a ref make a call like, -- it had to be a push or double hit as on this table its impossible for you to have followed the shot that far with your stroke--.

the ref should keep his mouth shut until the opponent which should have the right to stand up and say.
"hey watch this as it cant go and you will see this happen."

if he chose to be quiet then any close call like that goes to the ref or is considered good unless obvious.
of course if video is allowed to enter into it then do so.

Who were the two players that had the 40k game on the action table?

easy to answer, both are easy and simple to learn. and i have made plenty at both and can't play any other sports worth a shit.

in only a few sports does the ball just sit there and not move and you walk up and take your time, wiggle around and hit it.
that's pool and golf, and maybe add croquet. and any fool can play and hit a sitting duck.

take tennis, baseball, ping pong, all sorts of sports the ball is flying fast at you and you have just a few or less seconds to be on it.

Hail Mary Shot said:

Well one has to think why people miss on a straight-in shot while perfectly hitting the object ball.

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That would be SIT and plain misaligned strokes.

jasonlaus said:

I've never heard of JT either. Lil jon has been known forever

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He's one of those guys who could "be in town for a few days visiting family" and a lot of players, good players wouldn't have to like the action. He makes it to Indiana, but does most of his playing around Railbirds.