US Open 08/18-23

Since 2021 these are the winners (some multiple) of the big WNT opens with 256 players, and the 128-player WPC field..

Joshua Filler
Fedor Gorst
Shane Van Boening
Johan Chua
Francisco Sanchez Ruiz
David Alcaide
Jayson Shaw
Aloysius Yapp
Carlo Biado
Eklent Kaci
Ko Pin Chung

Dang Jin Hu
Robbie Capito
Mickey Krause


Of these, only Krause is still below 800 on Fargo (793). Capito was below when he won the UK Open, but he’s at 813 now.

Only three other players below 800 got to the final of a big major. Soufi, Souto and Bijsterbosch. Soufi and Souto are in the 790s and Bijsterbosch is at 788.

Can’t recall anyone below 750 getting to the semis or quarters of a big Matchroom event.

Anyone play in TAP League?

Fast forward to Aug 2025...
I know by default that they don't - but has anyone ever played in a TAP league that reports to Fargo? Is it possible?
I don't know of any and don't know if it is possible. To go into FargoRate the league would have to be run in FargoRate LMS software. Because TAP has its own software, I assume the results would need to be entered a second time.

Billiard Industry needs

So a couple of things first. I have noticed that my fargo moves when I have not played, which tells me there is some feedback based on my opponents future ratings change [performance]. Small but still present. My answer is based on what I think it should do.

So my final answer is D. This is what should happen in my opinion. No way either C or A are the answer. B shouldn't happen either.
Your intuition is right here. If Bill apparently seriously underperforms (375 instead of expected 575) when he moves to Phoenix, there is every reason to believe all those who play near Bill's speed back in Nowhereville also would perform near 375 if they played in Phoenix. And when those players move down to 375, everyone else in Nowhereville needs to move down a few hundred points to maintain the internal order. This is an extreme (fake) case of the kind of rebalancing that is happening on smaller scales every day.

Also, if we look at another person in Nowhereville, perhaps Vito, rated 630, he will have went to bed rated 630 and woke up to see 430, even though he didn't play anything new. It's not that his opponents got worse. It's that FargoRate got less confused about how they actually play. When your rating fluctuates, it's about FargoRate having a better understanding of your average opponent strength.
As for ELO, I have a USCF rating but have no specific knowledge of how it works. Very crude understanding at best.

Elo is step by step, without this feedback we're talking about here. With Elo, Bill would go down a bunch from his performance in Phoenix, but his friends back home stay where they are. If Bill moved back to Nowhereville, the effects of his Phoenix trip would in time trickle around and cause the whole town to go down by about 7 points (not the 200 right away like with FargoRate).

US Open 08/18-23

I know it's asking much, but I would want Skylar to win the US Open, just to have a big title next to his name. Or has his time passed by? I'm curious to see what the elite USA players after SVB do in this tournament. It feels like they've fallen off in the past 2 years, or maybe it's me.
Derby City Master of the Table is a big title. Skyler won it in 2019. It is one of the very hardest titles to win in our sport.

US Open 08/18-23

I know it's asking much, but I would want Skylar to win the US Open, just to have a big title next to his name. Or has his time passed by? I'm curious to see what the elite USA players after SVB do in this tournament. It feels like they've fallen off in the past 2 years, or maybe it's me.

time certainly hasn't passed by, but does he put in the hours? seems that always has been the question. the talent is obvious

Slow play by pros

Don't know when they went with 4-inch pockets; it wasn't like that in 2010. I think that it was 4.5 to 4.75 back then and before.
This is just the third full season in which 4" pockets have been used in WNT play. Many of the Matchroom specs in use today (nine on the spot, narrow break box, tighter pockets) were first used at the 2022 European Open and became the norm for the 2023 season.

In 2010, 4 1/2" was the typical pocket size at the 9ball majors.

Brunswick Pool Cue

I believe this to be a Hiolle cue made for the French market in conjunction with Brunswick - trademark Hiolle bumper- timeframe is more like 40s thru50s IMO for this particular cue.

I do and have owned similar cues and have some knowledge on this - I do not think that this is a 20s or 30s era Hiolle cue.

I will add that this appears to be a Hiolle billiard cue and not one made for pocket pool games-

US Open 08/18-23

they don't need to knock one champ after the other, the lack of the draw may clear a path
Theory over practice. The truth is that deep runs (meaning last sixteen) in the modern US Open 9ball (meaning in the days with deep international fields year after year) by players under Fargo 750 just do not happen. Can you think of even one exception in the past decade? I cannot.

US Open 08/18-23

I'd be very surprised if anybody below Fargo 820 won the US Open 9ball title. Cinderellas are few and far between. Since 2000, I'd call Gabe Owen and Kevin Cheng the only two Cinderella winners.

The globalization of pool over the past decade has greatly changed the landscape of the pro game, and the major 9ball titles are the domain of just a select few.

I predict that the winner will carry a Fargo of 830 or better.
Gabe was pretty well respected in the money game world & I don't think his win surprised that many people. Tommy Kennedy on the other hand was a dark horse of the first order

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